| IVOD_ID |
162532 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162532 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-16T12:12:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-16T12:25:06+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/880d22d0956e9b7d9a24793132b9791965ca6c232fe926b71ee0ab7c138f16ac33e48bbe8774fc435ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:12:09 - 12:25:06 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請法務部部長、法務部矯正署署長、法務部廉政署率所屬相關單位列席就「鑑於近來矯正監所暴力衝突事件頻傳，如何維護『矯正是刑事司法最後一道防線』及相關獄政策進作為，包括提升戒護人力資源」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、繼續併案審查
（一）委員徐巧芯等17人擬具「監察院組織法第三條之一及第三條之二條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員王鴻薇等17人擬具「監察院組織法第三條之一條文修正草案」案。
三、審查委員徐巧芯等22人擬具「監察院國家人權委員會組織法第三條條文修正草案」案。
【6月16日及18日兩天一次會】） |
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請法務部長跟監察院的複密麻煩複密 法務部長委員好保定剛才趙志偉問你檢測官的倫理規範第13條裡面有沒有入罵 |
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或者是不合適的不正的訊問你說你會抽查你如果有發現你會去倒證對不對今天早上黃國昌給你看的那個是不是一個辱罵那沒有違反一個檢察官該有的倫理規範嗎現在更嚴重的那是一個模擬的示範光碟啦其實你鑽石業有聽到嗎包括掃秀配比這個更嚴重啊 |
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邵秀佩是直接你們的檢察官喔直接怎麼問他他說你有用廉政署那一套你現在可以呼嚨過去嗎你可以呼嚨過去嗎你給我試看看這是不是不正的詢問有沒有這個當事人之間或證人之間有沒有這些的問題現在法院在審理中嘛我覺得我們任何人都應該跟涉法院的一個審判嘛包括你我都在內這個邵秀佩在庭上都有證實了嘛所以柯文哲明確說把這個光碟呈現給大家 |
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給大家看 結果你們檢察官 你們背景的檢察官可以阻擋說光底可以公開 你是作賊心虛啊你要跟法官主張這次法院審理中我們不適合在這次法院去談論審理中的問題法定 你們如果沒有不正信問 沒有作賊心虛為什麼連光底都不可以 都不可以勘驗啊為什麼都不能公開呢 |
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你民眾違反了這個倫理規範不是嗎你現在不是個個案欸你當一個大家長你的檢察官辦案辦成這樣子全國都有質疑的時候你不去導正人們強辯這個我沒有強辯喔現在案件在法院的審理方法反正這些光碟陸陸續續都會出來會有真相的人民也會看法務部為什麼要掩蓋那麼多的事實好來請阿王 王副秘 |
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妳在監察院應該很久了啦,對不對?是,我在監察院快40年妳有發現啦,妳最近監察院的工作量啊,打折又打折結果薪水一直要往上走嗎?我去統計了一下,妳第五屆應該在監察院對不對?在監察院你們開的這個宴會在第五屆的時候,我去統計了37次啊 |
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平均的開會時間75.97到你這一屆的新的監察院打對折耶同樣是開會會砍了一半的時間剩下多少33.67 更過分了陳琦 陳院長發病了生病以後 又打對折 |
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我去看你們最近這五次 開會的這個時間齁 真的是有幾次啊你們這一屆不足十分鐘的會議有十次陳局 陳院長請假完之後要開四分鐘的 開六分鐘的要照這個院會去比較你們薪水是不是應該打折 再打折所以只能領四分之一你們這樣怎麼對得起人民偶爾獲偶爾入民脂民膏 |
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跟委員說明一下有關於監察職權是不是有比第五屆行使有減少的狀況其實我們有統計我們有統計不管是人民書狀的收受或者是彈劾的人數或者是糾舉或者是糾正甚至質問等等或者中央巡查地方巡查我們所有職權的行使跟第五屆比較起來同期比較起來 |
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同樣的標準啊你議會是怎麼不只是同樣的院會不只是萎縮欸萎縮到以前的四分之一特別是陳吉晨院長 |
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你們是智慧武功嗎你們怎麼可以這樣對待你們怎麼對得起你們領的薪水欸 一個監察院的監察委員這位女生多少錢比照部會首長欸這樣怎麼對得起民眾啊下次的宴會你們承諾下次宴會好好開好啊 虧你至少回到第六屆或第五屆的一開始嘛你們現在根本我就看你們議程連案子都沒內什麼共識連案子都沒內怎麼對得起民眾然後你們怎麼花錢你們竟然會編列出國的預算 |
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這北海道看天熊 種錢當然要砍啊不砍對得起民眾嗎這一個 所以現在監察院為什麼要廢除一個是功能不彰 浪費人民的民脂民膏你一開始 你們今年編的預算欸 十億九千萬欸三減完之後 還有八億多欸你們用的是每一分錢都是人民辛辛苦苦的納稅錢一年的監察院花我們人民納稅錢 |
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八億都是這樣開會的一個是浪費民主民革的同時更嚴重的是什麼變成個酬庸養老院的同時工人還不髒甚至變成民進黨的打手我給你看幾個案子來不只是大家一直在討論的欸你們用公務車去送自己的愛犬去去美容的同時時間趕快不能再拖了你們說立即要調查對不對立即調查一個多月快兩個月了這樣怎麼對得起人民不是只有 |
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你們秘書長李經歷下台的問題 還有三個人送紀律委員會要開要趕快開 你們時間是在賽跑的你們立即怎麼會變成一個都會兩個都會還在立即更嚴重的來 你看看你們的案子你們是這樣對得起人民的嗎 是變成民進黨的打手陳中彥 台南地檢署還起訴他他接受這個赫娃酒這個招待 業者也承認了 |
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相關的人全部都承認了只有一個人 陳仲諺到後來沒有談和成還11比2 你們怎麼對得起人民呢這是當初要設立監察院的目的嗎你們不只沒有好好去辦這個犯罪變成個貪腐的共犯集團了超思雞蛋超思雞蛋在110年的9月份就檢舉了 就已經到你們那邊去檢舉了已經快三年了咧你們辦到哪裡去了 |
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你紀念你秘書長站在你這樣的位置他說等北檢一定會彈劾等北檢調查完好那我問這還算不算數 |
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報告委員那個陳忠英案件我剛剛有說明過了有關於超思的部分呢其實是有已經有提出調查報告而且有糾正也有糾結也有彈劾然後而且把相關的事證資料非常完整的移到檢察署去偵辦你們那個調查齁最重要的兩個人高高舉起輕輕放下真正決策者是誰 |
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那些人就去保定啊 身體重 約了以後就放回去啦 對不對你沖嫌啊 中央市長會啊 你們有查嗎你們碰到民進黨的高官就轉彎啊所以人家才說你們打蒼蠅啊 蚊子院啊 蒼蠅院啊碰到民進黨就轉彎啊 雙標院啊怎麼對得起這名現在更嚴重的超時雞蛋 你看 該辦的人還沒有辦第二個時機已經拖這麼久 |
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你那個糾正報告雖然有提了某部分關鍵的人沒有好好辦嘛最重要兩個人嘛好那現在我再問啦我問了李慶麗她說一定會彈劾嘛有 有彈劾沒有彈劾啊你現在只聽在糾正啊有糾正有糾決有彈劾你們現在彈劾了誰我們已經彈劾了張經緯 |
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只有一個嘛 對不對其他你本來調查的還有其他的官員呢跟委員說明這個監察院在處理彈劾案件 糾舉案件是有相關的事證具備了以後那才會對人來究責對嘛 所以你們的秘書長答應我說會盡快去辦這個案子嘛然後要彈劾嘛 結果你現在只辦了一個人嘛第二個當然為什麼要把法務部長找上來 否定你這個超思雞蛋拖三個月啊你們現在全部在辦柯文哲在辦那個國民黨那個什麼幽靈連署是吧 |
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一個超思雞蛋你們把相關人約去你們就停跟委員報告這台北電在爭判中啦那也搜索了也扣案了也扣案了也有約談了那我想這部分我們也尊重北檢的偵查機構因為我對台北電你知不知道你前面約談到現在停多久了 |
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這個我們尊重北檢的審查計劃因為我覺得你按那個暫停鍵你已經按了多久了我覺得要給人家檢查你們現在是所有的責任都在辦柯文哲都在辦那個國民黨的那個幽靈連署罷了詐騙案那麼多不好好辦然後一個超出雞蛋人民納稅前當會五億多 |
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停太久了吧 你怎麼對得起人民而且你們的辦案是怎麼樣剛剛在講的陳其仲跟林聰賢你們約去以後人家請回了耶所有台灣的民眾都看得清有第一個大會人民那麼多錢超過五億耶 五億三千萬耶第二個真的結社者都沒事你們在辦案你們怎麼對得起人民時間他太長 該辦的人不辦但如果辦的話有收手 有扣押扣了六千多萬啦 六千九百多萬啦 |
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扣啦 五億三千多萬你扣了六千多而且現在把責任全部都推給那個業者這是什麼 官員被騙沒關係 這個案子第一個我看你要再拖多久 第二個辦出來所以現在人民眼睛是血亮的啦在看法務部怎麼辦 在看監察院怎麼辦這個案子啦 |
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因為這個案件是北檢在辦我覺得我要尊重北檢他們獨立的偵查權我們要給他一個好的不要去受到任何干涉的一個辦案空間對啦 你北檢在辦案有興趣的他在辦科文哲什麼好像在雷厲風行如果他不想辦該約的人也不好好關鍵人不好好辦這個人民會判斷的到底有沒有雙標 |
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有沒有雙標 人民會親入看另外還有一個案子我特別提醒 監察那個 複密去年啦 河山場的一號機停了之後台電竟然去跟燒煤的麥寮又繼續延約了一堆雲林嘉義跟彰化的民眾還有一些民團 環保團體都上來抗議我還陪著他們親和民團存情喔這個案子要辦喔 你不能再拖了 已經拖久了 |
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報告委員,我們已經提出調查意見,已經有提出上個...那你們去追責任,有沒有繼續再燒嗎?你們的意見是怎麼樣?衛土然後呢?衛土然後繼續燒,然後繼續傷害我們人民的健康,火力要全開,用這個燒煤,婚姻人生要漂亮,嫁娶嫁,種花人生要漂亮 |
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會線一直在往上走那叫設監察院幹什麼所以我剛剛講一開始設監察院直施抨擊耶結果你現在已經幾個問題了第一個你浪費民脂民膏你功能不髒的同時第二個變成了養老院然後更嚴重的你現在變成說該有的案子到你那邊時程大或者沒有處理你不只沒有直施抨擊發揮你該有的糾正或者是彈劾的這個潛力耶一時呆乎沒有發生潛力他還變成了貪腐的一個 |
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變成溫床了你這樣不是變成共犯嗎所以當然要刪掉啊廢除監察院我相信你現在去做一個投票全民大概我相信在這八成以上都要廢監察院好在廢之前廢五之言了富民你說你在監察院待那麼久了監察院以前曾經高峰諒解過我七十兩年開始一直照監察院的新聞的時候 |
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那金蟬多被人家尊敬啊 雷震案 雷震案什麼一個案子每次議員會外講 那個時候都是各報的頭版頭欸記者在那邊鎖著 可能一兩個月前 就開始在追那個新聞啊你們提出來的糾正案或者彈劾案 全民都是矚目的 對社會是正面的那搞到現在變成一個蚊子院 還變成一個貪腐的一個蚊床 怎麼會這樣 |
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這把以前的理想跟改革找回來好不好廢之前趕快重振這個監察院的雄風好不好加油大家 |