| IVOD_ID |
162519 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162519 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-16T09:19:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-16T09:35:52+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/880d22d0956e9b7dbd83de3063f5711665ca6c232fe926b73310274be200c852e445050a438e2b795ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:19:34 - 09:35:52 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請法務部部長、法務部矯正署署長、法務部廉政署率所屬相關單位列席就「鑑於近來矯正監所暴力衝突事件頻傳，如何維護『矯正是刑事司法最後一道防線』及相關獄政策進作為，包括提升戒護人力資源」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、繼續併案審查
（一）委員徐巧芯等17人擬具「監察院組織法第三條之一及第三條之二條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員王鴻薇等17人擬具「監察院組織法第三條之一條文修正草案」案。
三、審查委員徐巧芯等22人擬具「監察院國家人權委員會組織法第三條條文修正草案」案。
【6月16日及18日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席,麻煩有請監察院副秘書長、法務部部長兩位早,先請教監察院的副秘陳菊上任監察院院長的時候說 |
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他要當末代監察院院長請問這一屆的監察院對於自己成為末代的監察院做了什麼準備有做準備嗎跟委員說 |
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我們監察院在這一屆跟前的歷屆都是相同的就是非常中緊的來行使監察職權我問的是說陳菊說要成為末代監察院院長嘛那你們這個末代監察院對於自己成為末代監察院做了什麼準備你有這個目標就要開始準備啦還是只是隨便嘴巴講一講的 |
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還是很練戰很想做肩尾又肥又香怎麼可能會成為末代對於自己成為末代監察院做了什麼準備沒有準備就老實講沒有準備就好了嘛有做任何準備嗎行使監察職權而已你剛剛搖頭是沒有做準備是不是好來第二個陳菊也說未來監察院會更超然公正有更超然公正嗎 |
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有嗎監察院一向超然公正監察院一向超然公正來你敢講一堆台灣人民聽不下去現行的條文啊監察委員的資格說要清廉證紙啊好來看一下這樣有清廉證紙嗎用公務車去看牙醫送寵物送親友 |
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來 請監察院告訴我們全台灣人民監察院的標準這樣是清廉正直嗎是不是這樣是不是你剛口中所講的清廉正直超然中立是嗎 |
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有關於這個案件那監察院依據副院長的指示已經移到監察院的紀律委員會裡面去處理這兩碼指示嘛有沒有符合清廉正職的標準是一回事接下來怎麼處理另外一回事嘛這樣有清廉正職嗎他不敢講這些都是你的長官都是我們的玉石大夫不敢講是這樣嗎 |
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委員我們已經依據副院長的指示來我們來看一看啦你所謂副院長的指示啊要調查嘛調查進度如何什麼時候調查結果監察院有發新聞稿對5月28號嘛立即啟動調查嘛那現在調查的進度如何誰在調查 |
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目前呢 目前就是依照人民稅賬處理辦法的規定把相關的陳情案移到紀律委員會去處理紀律委員會現在有開會嗎 |
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有關於紀律委員會的部分呢因為依照他的設置辦法跟他的任務原則上他不是一個定期會是所以咧現在有開會嗎不管是定期不定期我只關心一件事情開會沒有是那他會根據因為對不起請你針對問題回答開會沒有他會根據相關的議案跟委員的時間所以他開會沒有目前還沒有目前還沒有 |
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哇 很會欺騙社會喔感覺好像很有魄力喔立即啟動調查結果是多立即啊5月28號說立即啟動調查結果到現在連會都還沒開喔監察院的立即 原來是這麼立即啊讓人嘆為觀止啊 |
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打算什麼時候開還是沒有要開不打算要開了知不知道打算什麼時候要開這個紀律委員會他會依據相關的議案的內容還有委員所以打算什麼時候要開不知道因為這是紀律委員會來召開的所以你也不知道什麼時候要開嗎我不是紀律委員會的目的所以整個監察院告訴全體國人的是什麼 |
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我們的副院長所以立即啟動調查搞到今天紀律委員會都還沒有開喔這是超然公正的監察院還是官官相護的監察院啊這個是正直連人的監察院啊還是腐臭不堪的監察院啊我相信全體國人心裡有一把尺啊來接下來請部長延續啊我們上一次啊 |
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討論的主題我上次請問你啊 說民間司改會在2012年有一個追緝二檢的活動我問你說啊 現在二檢的問題啊 還存在嗎部長 二檢的問題還存在嗎呃 我不曉得那個二檢的一個定義啦是那是 我想我們都會 我們都會要做檢察官在法定的一個程序來還有游伯祥欸 |
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委員你要讓我去解釋嗎是來請解釋那個我想這個二檢這個定義這個是委員所提供是2012年現在已經2025年我想這十幾年的一個時間那我想我們檢察機關在保護的 |
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督導之下我們都是在一個要嚴守遵守法律的一個程序執行的職務我想在一個各方面我們都嚴加的督導能夠合乎檢察官的一些相關的規範好來 剛剛你說你不知道什麼是二檢嘛我就秀給你看 當初監察院是怎麼糾正的 |
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當監察院的調查報告2012年他所延續的二檢是怎麼定義的不可以以不當的言語或方式怒罵威嚇受訓穩人 |
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不僅是個人言行不當也嚴重損及國家形象及司法尊嚴也侵害受詢問人人權的保障剛部長說不知道什麼是二檢我就延續的當初2012年追緝二檢監察院所做的調查報告來清楚的告訴部長什麼是二檢這監察院的定義不是我的定義我們上次也看過了不管是刑事訴訟法還是檢察官倫理規範 |
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檢察官詢問的時候 要以懇切的態度不可以用強暴 脅迫 利誘 詐欺 疲勞 詢問或其他不正的方式也不可以有笑虐 怒罵或歧視的情形這個檢察官有在遵守嗎 部長我們會督導檢察機關會督導嘛 好來 那我們來看一下我們的法務部如何督導你覺得可以這樣呼嚨的話 我們就來試試看檢察官可以這樣問案嗎來 請問部長 |
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這是黑道恐嚇還是檢察官辦案檢察官可不可以這樣問案那個 柯委員報告齁那這個案件齁 反正案件在我不跟你討論案件的本身啦沒有沒有我只問你檢察官問案的態度你現在是直接講出個案的這些的證詞嘛是那現在這個案件已經在法院審理中了沒錯那我們要尊重法院審理的這件事情我一定尊重法院我現在問的是檢察官可以這樣問案嗎 |
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檢查官倫理規範檢查官可以這樣問案嗎 |
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那我們現在檢察官的問案都是合乎法律的一個規定所以這樣你也覺得是合乎法律規定是不是這個有法院來認定這個有法院來認定所以檢察官履歷規範是有法院來認定嗎委員你講的這個是屬於證據能力跟證據證明度的問題那這個現在已經是案件實例中的這個是證據證明度的問題喔好沒有關係沒有關係我等一下秀給你看我等一下秀給你看來我們先來複習一下來看一下當初啊 |
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游伯祥是怎麼講的啊現任司法院大法官啊偵訊是發生不法情事啊公眾本來就有知的權利啊來 部長 贊不贊成 |
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這是司法改革十週年紀念系列座談會啊我想這個要廣納意見啦大家的意見都不一樣嘛那我想這跟尊重國大法官的看法所以公開播放真訊光碟部長 讚不讚成我們可不可以公開播放真訊光碟這部分我想在外國立法律都是不允許 |
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我國公開播放真訊光碟有違法嗎我的大法官游伯祥告訴全台灣人的啊我為了要逃離侏羅紀啊所以要公開播放真訊光碟啊 |
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喔好來那我們再來看羅秉成說公開徵訊光碟有何不可羅秉成說公開徵訊光碟有何不可來部長贊不贊成這個我不贊成這個目前這個你不贊成喔那奇怪囉民進黨當上大官行政院政務委員負責處理法律案的都說公開播放徵訊光碟有何不可 |
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我們的游伯祥說為了逃離侏羅紀所以公開播放徵訊光碟部長的立場跟他們都不一樣這是我們不贊成你不贊成喔我不贊成哇 那你們現在民進黨整個執政的標準讓人家覺得很錯亂喔 |
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在野的時候直接公開播放光碟啊所以我說嘛民進黨執政前執政後差很多啦好那以現在的法律來規範的話公開播放真訊光碟公開播放真訊光碟請問到底犯了什麼法請教部長只有個資法 |
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那你各自法你還要洩露各自,還有各自法的問題嗎?如果沒有洩露各自,會違法那還要有國民法官制度的適用嗎?我們一般職業法官審理的公開播放徵序、光碟違反什麼法?來請教部長我們認為是有各自法、國民法官法的問題對嘛,那還要涉及到各自嘛 |
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如果公開播放徵訊光碟是檢察官辱罵受訓問人恐嚇他什麼叫辱罵什麼叫恐嚇來今天部長問到了重點什麼叫辱罵什麼叫恐嚇來我放給部長聽看部長覺得這是不是辱罵是不是恐嚇這個不要去公開這個屬於那個徵訊光碟不要去公開的一個播放好來請 |
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這個委員你要不要立法會再質詢他們從來不找你,還是107年後開始不找你?107年以後開始不找我那不叫從來,從來是一次都沒有過 |
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你在講什麼啊朱先生我們敬重你是朱將軍喔你自己聽聽你的話對得起你自己曾經有過的那顆心嗎你在講什麼顛三倒四的你在對什麼喔你在耍我是不是你退出小組內部小腿的原因到底是什麼 |
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你自己說你退出啦 你說你17年退出啦對對對對好啦 你不要講那麼多好不好我有說你參加新華城的開會嗎你在玩什麼文字遊戲你自己要想清楚我們今天找你第三次來開庭的你之前兩天你都覺得你講什麼我們都順順的讓你回家你覺得今天還會這樣子嗎 |
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你不要再跟我講那些有的沒的,什麼沒有管過這個你明明都在管,你這一點說瞎話這是中華民國的新興將軍嗎?因為你是將軍我才會生氣如果你是一個市井小民,你是一個泛夫走卒,沒什麼好生氣的我敬重你是將軍喔!結果你在講什麼話?我聽你,我想多講一點點你不覺得你已經講了很多,你都不累喔?蛤?有沒有違反檢察官履歷規範? |
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我想這個個案認定啦齁這樣也要個案認定沒有關係嘛我今天放出來給全體國民個案認定嘛這也是在處理釐清的案情的一個所以現在法務部部長是鼓勵全國檢查當時也這樣問案喔我要求是要遵守法律的一個來剛剛這一段的錄音違反了什麼個資法請教部長這個我不清楚嘛 |
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現在我只問你態度嘛你怎麼會拿出這個真訊光碟出來在國會議堂上這樣播放咧我老實跟部長講這個不是真訊光碟啦那是審理光碟嗎這個不是真訊光碟啦這是什麼光碟我不清楚啦不是啊 所以我只要問你嘛檢察官可以這樣問案嗎我沒有落入任何個案啊我也沒有說這是真訊光碟啊你剛剛說你不知道什麼叫恐嚇 |
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不知道什麼叫細虐所以我就放示範帶給你聽嘛在你們法務部的地理裡面這是不是恐嚇 |
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但是我相信不要提出來再直接加整個一個證據的內容在做這個就不是我老實就跟你講嘛我老實就跟你講嘛這就不是證據光碟嘛所以你認為如果發生這樣的狀況應該要送個案評鑑對不對如果有的話嘛如果有的話就要送個案評鑑是嗎有人來那個 |
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來請求那我們就來處理嘛我最後只講一句話 |
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民進黨執政前跟執政後的標準對司法改革的看法對侏羅紀公園的看法對公開徵訊光碟的看法真的是180度髮夾彎拿到權力了以後 墮落成這個樣子所有的人通通都可以清楚形成自己客觀的評價 |
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這樣子的問安方式我們的部長還背書喔我沒有背書你沒有背書喔我從來沒有背書我是督導我是站在督導的腳我是督導這個檢察那個整個真的有在督導嗎還是在鼓勵我沒有在鼓勵委員你不能這樣講這種話那個那個那個我還在督導我們檢察官在在整個一個政法的任務作為要合乎到法律的規定全體國人等一下全體國人就接下來看嘛你身為法務部部長要如何督導嘛 |
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不要去干涉什麼個案的一些審理或是證據能力的問題啦 |