| IVOD_ID |
162455 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162455 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-3-19,20-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟、財政兩委員會第3次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟、財政兩委員會第3次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-11T12:20:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-11T12:32:45+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5dae1827dbf6c90d0eaeb501b4bcc6b4fab53e924c0ec1dea46edf933af680f1fcc3062aedd04a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:20:17 - 12:32:45 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟、財政兩委員會第3次聯席會議（事由：審查：
一、本院委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具「農業保險法第十條條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員邱若華等21人擬具「農業保險法第二條及第十條條文修正草案」案。
三、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「農業保險法第二條及第十條條文修正草案」案。(詢答)） |
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主席我是不是请农业部陈部长然后渔业署王署长王署长 |
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上個月經濟委員會考察到北高雄選區的一些漁業建設我想謝謝王署長全程參與這部分每一項工程我都親自去看過都有急迫性跟必要性對移民的幫助也大 |
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所以集中在延安、彌德跟嘉甸保溫是在歐來這都是養殖漁業專區所以這保溫大家都很重要先請教一下王署長您也都有陪我去看過每一項您都會提出寶貴的意見漁業署也都全力支持 |
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那現在說我今天再利用這個質詢的機會再請部長能夠更了解署長很認真很用心每一項的建設工程我邀請他他都親身參與而且他都提出專業的意見所以這些高行是不是可以請他補充請農業部全力支持漁業署把這個九項這個工程依序把它完成我想以農業部來講一定會支持 |
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然後現在就是牽涉到經費看夠不夠我會後面去看這個經費夠的話因為這裡可能有一些分年的嘛如果沒記錯好像署長說應該沒有問題啦對它有的是分年如果分年的話就比較沒問題啦如果同一年的話可能可能經費會不夠分年當然是它有它有這個比方說有年限有三年期或者是兩年期所以這個回去我想基本上我們會支持但是緊急必要的這個優先來做譬如說那個 |
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LNG海水管線的擴充工程這部分尤其3.5那有共識那有討論過這個可以優先處理這個我們會來協助那這個謝謝署長署長請先回那第二個是關於保險這個我們天災救助未來有沒有可能做一些轉變天災救助如果轉型成這個免費的農業保險 |
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我們也曾經考慮過就是逐步把天然災害救助轉為農業保險那水稻是一個先行的案例那它有一個前提就是原來天然災害可能過去三年過去五年平均的農損的金額要直接轉到那個保險基金來而不是 金費沒有到位的話未來如果理賠的話是沒有經費理賠的 |
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我們從一個數據來對照我們的農業保險的這個保費的補助這個支出在整體補助的比重大概只有一趴啦這跟美國比較起來是天差地遠所以大家想說我們的農業安全網 |
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它整個架構你這偏重於產品以及要素的補貼所以這部分反而整個農業保險政策在你們整體的施政裡面還不是相對重要的一個角色你要想面對 |
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這個氣候變遷跟貿易自由化農業安全往下面的農業保險是非常重要所以要有前瞻性跟有韌性所以這部分是不是可以往這方面去思考吧天然救助的轉型成免費農業保險可行性品 你也先做一個可行性品對 我們可以先做看哪一些品項可以 |
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由天然災害的保險轉到農業的保險這個我想我們可以來評估然後比較可行的我們也許可以現在示範這個部分是不是可以請三個月之內提出一個可行性評估你們初步的規劃一個月三個月三個月可以三個月做出一個比較詳細的評估報告你們以及未來的初步規劃繼續再請教部長還有我們署長 |
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這個如果農保把強勢性的納保把它扣除事實上我們負保率啊 覆蓋率20.7現在20.7啦 是OK 我們數據沒有更新所以那整體的覆蓋率是五成多啦所以代表說你扣掉強勢性納保比如說水道 那個水道 那個住宿保險所以只要20點多那部分高風險 譬如說酒盤儀 |
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平均才2.7而已?九板魚養殖的年期大概要5、6年如果霸王級的寒流好像2017年的時候造成整個石斑魚是大崩盤所以這個有保險制度你要針對比如說九板魚 |
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芒果、木瓜、洋楓這個基本上是零頭保或者低頭保但是它是一個高災損只要發生天然氣候變遷或者造成氣候嚴重的傷害他們基本上沒有得到保險的cover |
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所以這部分你們有沒有怎麼樣去做調整把這些漁業長期處於低頭飽的狀態把它能夠有效提升我跟委員報告剛才就是扣掉強制性的話只有20.7%其中漁業的部分才2.7%是最直接的 |
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那我們現在我初步的想法可能還要跟那個漁業署他們去討論喔我覺得比較高產值高風險的如果一旦出現他損失特別高的這個部分可能要另外拉出來去設計一套方法石斑魚就是嘛石斑魚高風險然後他是高度依賴外銷高風險的跟一般風險或者低風險的他的寶貝的設計設計應該是不一樣的啦你現狀來看石斑魚我要幫你報告 |
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106我們推銷已經要幾年了7、8年了對不對現在投保面積不到100公頃全台中央面積2%以下 |
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那這種狀況你要把那個高風險石斑魚高風險然後依賴外銷的這些產業把它納入農保的範圍您認為呢我想我們剛才說的我們在三個月一併評估天然災害一方面可能天然災害轉過來另外一方面就是像我剛才說的把這些用風險值去分高中低然後設計不同的一些保險的這些規範是好 |
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按照這個脈絡繼續再請教您你們在這個設計農業保單的時候這個相關的這個你們的政策大概傾向於重視的你保單數量要怎麼成長 理賠的金額累計來評估做一個成效的評估 |
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但是你要從需求面還有品項公平性來切入才是比較符合農民的期待所以保險制度應該是對小農跟非主力的產業作為有更多的保障但目前現狀是保障非常的薄弱所以你應該從風險程度跟災害頻率以及產業脆弱性的連動做一個補助的設計牡蠣有沒有保險 |
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現在沒有 最主要是他的保費太高現在以他們保險工程算出來的那個保費太高啦 |
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外藝術工你要有差異化差異化的補助條件不是這個花一條線就是它補助標準都一樣照這個天候所以這個部分不能有固定的補助比例應該用產業的特性這個品項的特性來做這個差異性的補助條件的設計以及它災損的頻率評估機制有些農產品它災損頻率很低有些是很高 |
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因為傷害這個輕重只要一衝擊一來有些傷害很重有些傷害相對沒那麼重所以是不是能夠有差異化的這個補助條件設計我想非常認同委員所提到的差異化的補助包括它的自災的風險還有包括它的一個相關的災損的程度 |
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那這個部分如果用加權的方式去處理的話應該可以設計出另外一個遊戲規則我覺得我們可以朝這方面來努力謝謝部長 我們繼續努力那另外這個國產羊肉 |
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江山市這個有名就是江山羊肉,柏柳你有沒有吃過?我吃過那目前國產羊肉市占率是5%而已啦,但是它有季節性的消費傾向是多一梯牛肉肉比較好消,對不對?多一梯就比較不好消,現在的這個價格,國產羊這個拍賣行情 |
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最近跌幅到180所以有時候到170幾跌幅到三成多每次一樣成本是2.3萬啊 二或兩萬三啊 |
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你賣一支賠一支那針對這個部分農業部有沒有什麼相關的補救措施我們現在啟動了一個機制就是先有協助他們做宰殺凍存先做凍存做一個產期的調節啦後來你同時這樣繼續下去價格會越來越低所以有一些東西不一定要上市直接用凍存的方式去調節它上市的量 |
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那這個部分我們現在已經在做相關的團體跟羊農有做過這個接觸對 已經有跟他們做討論他們知道說政府有在提供對 他們也接受這樣的一個方法他們也覺得這個方法是可以接受的好 最後一個問題啊我再花這個一分鐘來跟部長請教就是說台日米食的鏈結這個很重要但是需要一個制度性的長期合作的機制的那像日本釋出廚備米 |
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阿對台灣的這個米出口會不會有這個比較屬於中長期的影響你們評估怎麼樣我們個人就是內部的一個評估齁就是我們其實每年稻米的外銷大概是平均大概3500日本啦3500噸左右那 |
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今年會比較高有一部分原因是因為他們日本缺米但是我們長期來看我們不能依靠著他缺米才增加我們的銷售所以要建立一個供應鏈要長期的合作協定一定要有一個協議包括有在進行嗎有在進行而且我們像今年我們也邀請了他們很多大商社來這邊希望說能夠能夠定期的去企作或是直接跟我們這個政策是跟商社去談就好還是要通過農林水產省 |
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沒有 我們透過商社直接去做長期通路他們政府有沒有 農林水產省有沒有真的總和關稅的品質現在就是商社給我們回報就是他打特定的族群的時候就算關稅外的那個金額他們吸收都還有賺頭他們就願意我們不要是因為只要缺名的時候我們這個數量增加對 就是這樣子常態性的合作 這很重要對 常態性的合作就是要通路 鏈結如果需要國會我們可以去拜訪他們的農林水產省 |
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我們曾經談過啦 但是日本對米的那個額度配額跟我們一樣堅持啦就不讓步啦但是這個台日友好這個是最近幾年那個所以我們現在用銅鑼之間這樣我想他們對台灣會非常非常比較友善啦 |
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我們現在請徐富奎委員做詢問 |