| IVOD_ID |
162447 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162447 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-11T11:39:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-11T11:52:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5dae1827dbf6c94fdd5502484b87e38c2a0f21558b58c3643b132f871dcdd84c7f6e4539bc04505ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡其昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:39:16 - 11:52:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：審查一、委員徐巧芯等23人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第七條之一條文修正草案」、二、委員邱鎮軍等21人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條及第二十一條條文修正草案」、三、委員吳沛憶等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十四條條文修正草案」、四、委員廖先翔等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十六條條文修正草案」、五、委員牛煦庭等23人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十六條及第十六條之一條文修正草案」、六、委員顏寬恒等23人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十六條及第四十三條條文修正草案」、七、委員林思銘等18人、八、委員林月琴等23人、九、委員魯明哲等21人、十、委員陳俊宇等18人、十一、委員羅智強等16人、十二、委員陳菁徽等18人、十三、委員黃健豪等19人、十四、委員李坤城等24人、十五、委員邱若華等17人、十六、委員羅廷瑋等16人、十七、委員張宏陸等18人、十八、委員游顥等18人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第二十一條條文修正草案」、十九、委員蔡其昌等20人、二十、委員林俊憲等26人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例部分條文修正草案」、二十一、委員陳素月等17人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第二十一條、第二十一條之一及第八十五條之三條文修正草案」、二十二、委員顏寬恒等21人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第二十七條條文修正草案」、二十三、委員林德福等17人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十條條文修正草案」、二十四、委員廖先翔等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十三條條文修正草案」、二十五、委員林德福等16人、二十六、委員邱若華等18人、二十七、台灣民眾黨黨團分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條條文修正草案」、二十八、委員黃健豪等19人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條、第三十五條之二及第六十七條條文修正草案」、二十九、委員顏寬恒等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第四十四條及第四十五條條文修正草案」、三十、委員林俊憲等23人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第四十五條條文修正草案」、三十一、委員牛煦庭等18人、三十二、委員魯明哲等16人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第五十六條條文修正草案」、三十三、台灣民眾黨黨團(11-1-13)、三十四、台灣民眾黨黨團(11-1-21)分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第六十七條條文修正草案」、三十五、委員羅智強等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第七十二條條文修正草案」、三十六、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第七十八條及第八十四條條文修正草案」、三十七、委員魯明哲等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第八十條條文修正草案」、三十八、委員林俊憲等20人、三十九、委員廖先翔等19人、四十、台灣民眾黨黨團、四十一、委員王世堅等17人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第九十二條條文修正草案」及四十二、委員林思銘等23人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例增訂第九十二條之二條文草案」案。【本日會議僅進行詢答】） |
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呃 謝謝主席 請交通部陳次長好 交通部陳次長呃 委員好呃 次長好 次長這個今天有幾個問題齁 來救教一下次長第一個就是那個微型電動二輪車嘛齁是我看他現在掛牌時間大概 |
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一段期間市長你知道現在掛牌總數有多少嗎這裡好像是 |
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跟委員報告就是微型電動二輪車的話目前我們大概是有32萬多32萬多輛目前掛牌的這不含那個買了沒掛牌那種掛牌有32萬多那機車掛牌有多少 |
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機車大概一千四百多萬輛一千多萬輛那微型電動二輪車以一百一十三年來講它的事故數有多少 |
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各位有沒有113年事故件數是有9800件那機車有多少這邊可能還要再查如果我的數字沒錯應該2萬多件如果我的數字沒錯因為掛牌總數我查起來的數字跟你們不一樣沒關係以你們的數字為主所以掛牌總數 |
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跟機車兩個微型電動二輪車跟機車的數量跟事故來比你可以很明顯發現微型電動二輪車事故發生的比例遠高於機車就簡單講就是說我們講道安那現在我們發現有一種載具它其實比機車更危險因為你發生事故的比例這個微型電動二輪車遠高於機車 |
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好 那問題來了 我們在講道安 道安修法做交通安全各式的宣導 從政策預算包括在立法院 包括在行政院我們都希望減少人民財產生命的損傷但有一種東西 它很嚴重但我們其實沒有什麼管理的策略 甚至我們也很少討論 |
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譬如說我舉例你們現在除了我們除了規定14歲到17歲是可以騎啦如果未達14歲騎我們有罰則嘛對不對好那14歲到17歲騎他其實沒有任何限制只有年齡的限制你14歲高了你就可以開始騎這個微型電動的二輪車市長 |
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這個車禍的比例遠高於機車它的形態 你如果沒有認真去探究 它的形態其實就是機車嘛它跟電動腳踏車不一樣 電動腳踏車有踏板需要踩踏但微型電動二輪車 它坐在旁邊跟摩托車一樣 吹下去就走 只是它的速限 |
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25公里而已啦但是25公里在馬路上他的行為跟他的樣態基本上跟機車是一模一樣好 市長有沒有什麼方法 交通部看完這個數字之後我們希望減輕人民的生命財產的損傷交通部對於微型電動二輪車有沒有什麼想法 |
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我想跟委員做一個說明就是微型電動二輪車因為也是因為基於以前沒有納管所以產生了一些問題所以我們把它特別定義叫微型電動二輪車那微型電動二輪車當時在制定它的相關的一個領牌或者是管理的規定裡頭其實就是該比照機車的幾乎都比照了唯獨就是駕照的部分 |
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那所以在這部分其實我們也有在其他的場合也有特別提到說對於賣出電動二輪車的這個經銷商其實要能夠告訴買車的相關的一個行駛要注意事項等等的那如果現在有看到這樣的一個問題剛才也特別提到就是說希望我們陸正道安司能夠對電動二輪車相關事故的防治能夠有相關的一個提出相關的因應的措施那這一部分呢我想我們可以考慮好 |
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這個應該要考慮了啦應該要考慮了嘛你們都是專家啦就是說我不是專家但當時在納管的時候我是支持的為什麼當時我跟交通部也建議過為什麼因為當時有很多我們的外籍移工 |
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買了這個車子然後呢可能Maybe做了一些不好的事情可是我們沒有任何對他辨識度沒有任何辨識啦所以基於治安基於交通等等我們做了一些納管 |
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但是這個納管它成長的速度非常的快再來如果你以跟機車來比它發生生命財產損失的機會遠高於機車所以未來它一定是一個問題所以我們從開放之後納管 |
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我覺得光走到這裡是不足的應該我們還要有繼續往下走的下一步那到底怎麼樣的方法好讓人民也覺得普遍這樣做是對的這個就要交通部的專家很多資源也很多你們應該緊述的來研議相關的辦法怎麼來做這些事情這件事情要該怎麼來處理才會把他的人民的這種生命財產的損失降低不然他 |
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說起來開那麼多錢在做機車安全不管是辦講座啦 宣導啦 一大堆的但事實上機車都要比那個微型電動二輪車安全很多如果這兩個拿來比的話所以這個是特別跟次長提醒會後趕快去研究那研究有結論的三個月半年你們趕快給我到底你們要怎麼來做啦好不好 我等著你們的報告第二個事情啊 |
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台中機場連外道路因為長遠我們叫捷運局限我也很謝謝交通部你們陳部長在我的這個督促要求拜託底下你們願意補助台中市政府 |
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願意就是說本來台中市政府該做的事情因為他不做那我們要求中央給他這個可言的預算讓他延伸到海線所以謝謝交通部願意出這一條本來市政府該做的事情那不管怎麼樣中央做了協助地方來做了這件事情那 |
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長線我要麻煩交通部對於那個進度必須緊盯我們現在要求他做可言是希望這個可言的結果能夠他跟他原來所提的局限的計畫能夠一併來核定能夠一併來核定而不是漏掉最後面那一段那這是長期計畫那還有短期也就是本席一直在要求我們在短期捷運局限還沒有辦法完成對於清泉崗機場 |
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這個客戶的服務我們長期還沒有辦法達成之前短期應該要有相對應的車輛就是包括公車啊或者等等觀光巴士啊這個部分我希望市長在16號的考察裡面 |
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19號的考察裡面希望次長你們可以給我做一個簡報到底台中市政府跟交通部怎麼去做這個旅客的這些輸運你們也知道嘛這個輸運一定要對症下藥啦因為沒有飛機班次就可以節省那有飛機班次的時間反而應該密集讓使用者覺得這個交通網絡很方便這個大眾運輸網絡很方便這個我等著你們19號 |
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的報告好不好你們19號再跟我提出詳細的報告那針對今天的修法本席也有提案那我的提案其實很簡單你看我們一樣從數字上來做管理你就可以發現 |
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我們對於酒駕是零容忍我們立法院這麼多年來也不斷對於酒駕的法令越修越嚴格然後呢我們的執法單位警政執法單位把酒駕也列為很重要的執法目標所以也很鼓勵員警對酒駕的取締要加強我覺得這個都很好但如果我們反過來你可以看到這個酒駕以2023年來看這個酒駕數啊 |
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2022、2023最近這兩年你看2022的酒駕的案件是7863跟7954但無照駕駛的案件是53000多跟55000多就一個數字是7000多一個數字是5萬多 |
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所以我們對於酒駕導致死亡 甚至無照駕駛的死亡案件 死亡這個是763 2023年 酒駕是253所以如果我們從數字來看 你就會發現這個無照駕駛對於人民生命財產的損失衝擊 |
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其實他絕對不比酒駕來得輕微所以我們對於酒駕過去我們對於無照過去就是花錢嘛就花花錢花錢所以你看這個數字啊一直高選沒辦法下來所以本席才會提議說如果無照導致重傷或致死我們應該就要取消他考照的這個資格 |
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就我們一定要有一些對他的一些處分不能只有罰錢就解決就在行政上面那當然 |
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他的致死跟重傷他有另外的刑事責任這個我們姑且不能在行政上面我覺得應該要更嚴格那本席要更嚴格我很歡迎你們來討論就是說如果你們覺得本席的嚴格你們有更有效的方法其實我們不是真的要怎樣我們只是阻止這種悲劇的發生要讓這個數字下來但如果部裡面有更好的建議就怎麼樣加重可以讓數字下來 |
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那我也歡迎來討論或者來修正但本席必須要藉著今天的時間要告訴透過數字上來看無照駕駛致人死傷其實這個也很嚴重這個是酒駕的 |
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不到十倍但也七八倍有啦所以這個是很驚人的數字所以我們要想辦法從數字的管理上我們要讓這個數字下來這個數字下來 數字是冷冰的但是數字下來所代表的意涵就是保障更多人生命跟財產的安全次長你覺得同不同意 |
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也謝謝委員的提醒從這個數字我們也看到其實我交通部也看到就是說跟這個酒駕的這個比例是很懸殊所以是我們在今天的專案報告裡面或者是在這打選裡頭 |
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大概都多次談到就是後有關無照駕駛的修法的一個方向我們原則上是比照酒駕的一個處理的一個方式來對於不管是罰款的提高也好或是呃旅販的一個處罰或者是駕照的吊扣吊銷或終身不得考照或者是那一部車做一些吊銷的一個處理等等的我們其實是配套的一起在做處理好希望我們進入 |
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調穩的時候我們可以再進一步來討論 |