| IVOD_ID |
162444 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162444 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-11T11:03:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-11T11:18:05+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:09 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5dae1827dbf6c9b2db6c7f65c2ffe38c2a0f21558b58c3643b132f871dcdd8fd3a25c60a590e925ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
魯明哲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:03:56 - 11:18:05 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：審查一、委員徐巧芯等23人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第七條之一條文修正草案」、二、委員邱鎮軍等21人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條及第二十一條條文修正草案」、三、委員吳沛憶等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十四條條文修正草案」、四、委員廖先翔等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十六條條文修正草案」、五、委員牛煦庭等23人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十六條及第十六條之一條文修正草案」、六、委員顏寬恒等23人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十六條及第四十三條條文修正草案」、七、委員林思銘等18人、八、委員林月琴等23人、九、委員魯明哲等21人、十、委員陳俊宇等18人、十一、委員羅智強等16人、十二、委員陳菁徽等18人、十三、委員黃健豪等19人、十四、委員李坤城等24人、十五、委員邱若華等17人、十六、委員羅廷瑋等16人、十七、委員張宏陸等18人、十八、委員游顥等18人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第二十一條條文修正草案」、十九、委員蔡其昌等20人、二十、委員林俊憲等26人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例部分條文修正草案」、二十一、委員陳素月等17人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第二十一條、第二十一條之一及第八十五條之三條文修正草案」、二十二、委員顏寬恒等21人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第二十七條條文修正草案」、二十三、委員林德福等17人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十條條文修正草案」、二十四、委員廖先翔等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十三條條文修正草案」、二十五、委員林德福等16人、二十六、委員邱若華等18人、二十七、台灣民眾黨黨團分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條條文修正草案」、二十八、委員黃健豪等19人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條、第三十五條之二及第六十七條條文修正草案」、二十九、委員顏寬恒等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第四十四條及第四十五條條文修正草案」、三十、委員林俊憲等23人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第四十五條條文修正草案」、三十一、委員牛煦庭等18人、三十二、委員魯明哲等16人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第五十六條條文修正草案」、三十三、台灣民眾黨黨團(11-1-13)、三十四、台灣民眾黨黨團(11-1-21)分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第六十七條條文修正草案」、三十五、委員羅智強等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第七十二條條文修正草案」、三十六、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第七十八條及第八十四條條文修正草案」、三十七、委員魯明哲等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第八十條條文修正草案」、三十八、委員林俊憲等20人、三十九、委員廖先翔等19人、四十、台灣民眾黨黨團、四十一、委員王世堅等17人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第九十二條條文修正草案」及四十二、委員林思銘等23人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例增訂第九十二條之二條文草案」案。【本日會議僅進行詢答】） |
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陳次長交通部次長陳次長 |
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市長 委員好這個你長期在交通部你大概也非常清楚我們今天針對大概有42個案子道交條例相關的一些可能罰則很多委員提案在處理我們現在大家其實民眾最關心的就是無照駕駛要怎麼樣去做那在這麼多年來我們也看到大概被110年3月的時候有通過了當時有提高罰則現在無照駕駛不分汽機車大概最高到2萬4 |
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那經過了四年的時間啊發生了很多的一些問題啊所以第一個過去長期在研究這個問題就不是說現在突然發生的那在我們交通部長上任啊上任之後我特別在去年的11月18號我擔任召委的時候我特別排了一個如何有叫杜絕無照駕駛啊猖獗的亂象那當時的 |
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在邀集相關單位討論研擬加重罰則以及加強輔導並行並重的措施加重包括當場一致滑板車輛比照危險駕駛提高罰環上限提高吊扣牌照期間提高不能考照的年限等等的罰則之條例修正草案以嚇阻無照駕駛的現象蓄意程序懲罰行政院核轉立法院審議加強輔導的部分對於未成年以及高齡無照駕駛者並將邀集縣市政府研議建立一套統一一致的輔導防治追蹤標準機制並且納入年度的到案評比 |
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好 七個月過去了你們承諾的事項要方向跟程序送行政院怎麼樣去做的進度進度如何呢 |
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說明一下剛剛那個七個月前講的這個案子送行政院沒有我們已經有提送這個行政院去討論了已經有去討論了提送行政院去討論不是啊你們的案子簡單來講你的修法案你們自己在交通部已經核定定稿沒有你要把正確的一個版本送上去交給行政院當然他要核准嘛然後送到我們立法立法院來那現在進度到底是 |
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還在研究 法條具體定了嗎是 我跟委員報告一下這個法條在交通部我們已經討論過已經定案了那我們送到行政院行政院有的他一定審查這種法案的一個程序那我剛才講他法案程序的時候要先聽取我們交通部的一個報告在報告的裡面他希望我們對於罰則的部分再做檢討是現在是這樣那這裡頭剛才部長所承諾的一些要辦理的譬如說納入道安評比啦等等的這我們都已經在辦理中了是 |
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好 當時承諾的是希望無照駕駛能夠比照這個危險駕駛然後上上個禮拜然後媒體訪問你們交通部的一個記者會宣布了無照駕駛要比照這個酒駕 |
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到底是什麼就是說你們有沒有一個長期的一個政策因為這政策說真的交通治理罰款是尾段尤其是無照駕駛大概有非常大的比例是在我們辛苦低限的警員因為你AI不管什麼去照相科技司法照到大概都進行舉發居多 |
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那你照照之後他可以說不是他嘛所以無照駕駛這件事情我們人工比例非常大但是他是在尾端真的沒辦法罰交通治理還有很多的前端的政策去考量源頭怎麼樣去減少嘛讓這些人就不願意嘛當然罰款是一個方式還有其他如果你沒有長期去做這個研究的時候怎麼會說比照這個危險駕駛因為危險駕駛上限是三萬六 |
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大概3萬6我們不談貨車啦就講這個普通駕照3萬6就2萬4我要把它調成3萬6這去年11月18號的一個方向就到了6個月後前一陣子說的是比照這個酒駕酒駕最高機車汽車就分了分家了9萬到12萬所以你們現在的理念這樣好不好講清楚方向了齁這個到底是要當時承諾的 |
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比照危險駕駛大概最高罰款是三萬六還是現在說的他提高到九萬到十二萬而且汽機車分家無照駕駛汽機車沒有分家機車汽車都一樣那未來是不是怎麼樣分家請你說一下你有沒有研究 |
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事實上剛才各位委員特別提到當時是比照這個危險駕駛那我們現在經過這一陣子以後的研究我們發現就是應該要比照這個酒駕的方式分家而且發販沒有上限詳細的情形我請林市長來跟委員做說明 |
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跟委員報告一下確實成為剛剛委員所提到的一個部分就是說我們這個去年研擬的那個部分那這個是提到到這個364比照的這個危險駕駛最高罰款的部分那今天在檢討之後也確實這段時間大家剛剛相後委員也這個事情提到這個有關於無照駕駛的一個總列我們去細分機車跟汽車還有包括研擬的部分是有不同所以我們這次在這個檢討的部分市長這樣啦因為今天時間真的非常有限 |
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那我是要拜託你們你們那個政策我希望比較讓別人看起來是長期在研究而且很多都有一些有什麼依據的不要說半年一下講東講西就感覺說都可以所以我覺得這個的部分你們仔細研究那現在送到行政院的部分你們如果要針對這個部分要修我希望也速度能夠快一點因為畢竟無照駕駛 |
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其實是一個比較高風險的交通違規或者事故的一個群體所以非常非常重要抓這個群體的危險係數比一般要高一點所以這個部分如果係數高又可能造成了我們用戶人無辜的用戶人或者本身生命的威脅我覺得非常不好而且要積極要處理的 |
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再來第二個我們來看一下這三年無照駕駛的舉發數其實用想像的比較看不出來到底兩萬 三萬 還是五萬其實沒有調出來我都不知道這麼多每一年就看113年好了 |
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像現在這樣一點一年還是有28萬多人被舉發無照這個駕駛坦白講那黑數我不知道你們認為三倍五倍你們自己去研究啦因為要被警察抓到無照所以三倍五倍都不離譜啦所以這是一件 |
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滿可怕 大家覺得無照駕駛對很多 微微兩萬八而已你知道嗎 二十八萬就對大家一個普遍社會說 唉 沒差啦沒差 到底要怎麼解決再來你看17歲以下 因為他沒辦法考駕照沒辦法考駕照的話 他有 |
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到今年感覺是有向下降了4%那是什麼原因還是不小心他這個沒有沒有原因的下降那你看25歲到64歲甚至65歲以上尤其25到64歲他一般他們是工作的年齡是家庭的經濟支柱那對於可能17歲以下就是說比較帥比較趴但上學也要方便可能理由 |
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普為綜合啦但是這個年齡啊就是完了我又沒公車所以這個部分你們後面的整個邏輯齁他後面推論出來邏輯你們要去研究啦有的東西你罰款罰了你發覺欸有限嘛為什麼有些人真的要上班那我們的公共運輸是不是到底哪裡出問題各縣市各個領域到底為什麼發生這些事情是要你們形成一個交通治理的政策我覺得你們要去思考17歲以下這是欸家長怎麼會買車給他 |
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小孩子他自己很有錢有可能大部分家長就買車給他了他沒駕照他也買給他了他到底要怎麼樣去約制對不對他沒有車當然就不能騎啊再來就是學校這些都學0年的小朋友他到學校其實學校都知道嘛 |
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學校跟家庭怎麼樣去做處理我也希望除了道教條例 條高法則這個方向如果你在源頭沒有一些治理的政策我覺得這樣是不行的請你們朝著這個方向來研究好不好 |
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委員的建議很好我們也是朝這個方向在處理譬如剛才委員講到就說17歲以下的就是未成年就是18歲不能考駕照的這部分其實我們也有透過剛才也是部長已經特別提到我們已經納入了這個道安評比然後也會結合社會學校跟社會的一個體制然後也會有一些關懷的一個措施那高齡者65歲以上的無照也是同樣的一個情形 |
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因為25到64是提供這個量體非常大人家家裡怎麼吃飯啊你這邊解釋問題我覺得公佈運輸我真的要去做處理那接下來那就你們不用回答了我直接把它講完就好了那再來去分析這麼多人沒有駕照一年30萬人因為無照駕駛被取定那其中再分那有沒有累犯啊就是事實上已經被抓到了他覺得沒有差 |
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那這種的駕駛朋友可能不是你加到五年之內兩次以上他可能天天在騎 天天在騎但你看這個數字喔 就是整個累犯率比例也是非常非常高那與這個駕照被扣掉了 他總共汽車總數是四萬六千多人他已經沒有駕照 然後再累犯 |
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一年齁113年來講大概9000多人所以像這種累犯尤其像17歲以下騎機車的小朋友啦他累犯比例真的是又高於這個平均所以我覺得家長跟學校怎麼樣透過這個學校或者其他的一個方式來教育或者約制我覺得這蠻重要的最後一張 |
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再去分析剛剛無照駕駛什麼原因你們要學校家長那另外一種呢其實比較嚴重在這裡其實他考了駕照了他不是就是你符合考駕照的年齡有些人沒考這些都剔除剔除未成年的全部剔除有一種狀況是說他已經經過了馬路的測試他就完全 |
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完全不符合道路安全的價值誰證明的 你們證明的 警察證明了怎麼證明呢 他已經被吊銷 吊扣駕照了這些人啊 就他表達有口罩然後因為一些不當的交通的行為 然後被吊扣了你知道這些人的定義齁 我覺得是比剛剛高危險群在高危險群裡面的top 最高危險群 |
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為什麼呢就很簡單嘛你看看這個比例齁這個比例齁一年啊剛剛28萬喔30萬你看看這種重複來的居然有10萬的113年就好將近4成這個我覺得大家條例修了那還有什麼樣一些配合的措施讓這麼讓大家恐怖的數字啊等於每一天365天每一天300輛這個無照已經被扣了 |
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你知道為什麼被扣了 被扣得過 這個被吊銷駕照是因為酒駕 毒駕 或者危險駕駛 甚至競速飆車等等的警察抓的鑰匙 終於吊扣了 他繼續在那邊 繼續啊 繼續做 |
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那如果吊扣咧 包括車輛開上 不管行人開上斑馬線 而且撞傷行人像這樣的的 我們現在在道交鐵路 它已經一次了在道路上不正當的一個行為 或者很惡劣的行人行為造成了無辜其他的用路人或行人受傷 它被吊罩了結果比例這麼高 還在路上那你們有什麼方法嗎 |
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我想跟委員報告就是說在馬路上行駛車輛一定要有駕照這是一定的所以對於無照的駕駛如果他還要在馬路上繼續就是要輔導他去考駕照那如何讓他不要有對他沒辦法有機會吊銷 吊破短時間沒辦法所以我們現在在講讓他如果是無照你要付出一定的一個代價所以剛才特別提到這個罰款好我最後一個結論我最後一個結論 |
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你看看這幾種一種情況你除了調高閥制我覺得是一定要的但是怎麼樣你在交通治理的整個的一個你手中的一個工具你只有這個然後給民眾好啦OK了問題絕對沒有解決因為這個數字很清楚我最後要說的因為你已經 |
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違反道交條例而且比較嚴重的情況才會吊或者註銷你的駕照在法令上入法的原因它的原理就是我們用法律的依據來取消這些不具安全駕駛資格這些駕駛者 |
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而且用法定的 取消他法定的資格你沒有法定資格 這很重要可是他不理啊那這樣的話 我們現在一直在討論道交條例或者其他法律我們要透過法律手段 想辦法要這樣來排除道路上這種交通危險的因子結果做得並不好我真的是希望 我這樣的提醒你真的要全面向哪裡 交通部所有的工具去研究 好不好 |
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是我們會按依照這個方向來 |