| IVOD_ID |
162282 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162282 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-05T10:55:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-05T11:06:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3f41131fcd5ae564d2c3a20c517486ebcd8722aad0b92e7f46063d171e8badfa8c3f6bbd0a8feaf75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
許智傑 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:55:46 - 11:06:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查一、委員徐欣瑩等18人、二、委員陳俊宇等20人分別擬具「技師法第十一條條文修正草案」及三、委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等19人擬具「技師法第十一條及第四十二條條文修正草案」案。
【本日會議僅進行詢答】） |
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好 謝謝主席我們請主委主委請委員好 |
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辛苦了 主委 我想齁 其實剛剛新存委員提到的那包括技師 包括工程人員 包括薪資這些是很膨脹的啦 要叫你這樣全部所有國家的問題解決後會很困難但是齁 我們可以盡量去想啦 盡量去想說有什麼比較好的制度 |
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就像我要求了很多年就是本來我們是兩億以上的工程嘛然後盡量用最有力標現在達到的比例已經升高了嘛那當時其實我會拜託說這個工程呢最有力標的方向之外就是政風跟主計可以加入這個行列那為什麼呢因為 |
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最低標的缺點就是低價搶標會降低品質啦最有利標的優點當然就是說會比較好但是比較容易作弊所以這很傷腦筋那現在比如說我們的公共工程10萬調到15萬元就是說這個部分到底是 |
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要用比如說你一般幾千萬的啦要用最低標還是用最有利標比較好講的那個15萬以上那是小額採購啦那小額採購如果太低的話是製造那個公務人員的困擾那有些你說買一張機票要比價的話那就很麻煩真的有人因此而出訪買機票 |
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還要三家比價嗎這個是小採購我們是希望提升到這個主委這個更改我還蠻認同的啦提高到15萬啦市會市長也不多啦對對對所以總是讓不要讓公務員這個不小心就觸發而且增加很多麻煩啦 |
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那我也認同這個剛才委員的建議就是說在開標的時候如果是用評選的最有利標那我們是希望這個主計政風應到場修改按照委員的意見修改相關的一些作為辦法所以現在就是說 |
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我們的最有利標我們都有希望他們陰道場嘛我們會改成陰啦就是現在就是現在是得嘛對不對我們會改成陰道場這什麼時候可以改 |
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那個我們這個辦法已經是改成他應通知這個政風主計派是已經修改所以目前看起來這個派員的比例有增加在持續增加OK好這個對政風主計比較不好意思啦會增加到很多的工作但是呢這個對公務員要做決策的時候比較敢有擔當啦 |
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所以我覺得這可以繼續推動就是說把消防組給拍攝或是說要多參與所以說今天其實我們公務員他不敢擔當最怕就是剛剛主委講到的我沒有逼給逼候我叫他變圖利 變貪汙這很困擾公務員其實如果是這樣子檢察官又不特別去明察就變成檢察官濫訴造成公務員不敢勇於認識 |
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所以現在其實檢察官我們也希望說法務部那邊我們要要求說其實你要像剛才那個剛才賴委員講到那個懲戒之前懲戒之前要先有個內部的一個一個大概的審核看看他不要說隨便要送懲戒就送懲戒因為你要保護技師有時候他課很不簡單像蘇悅講的那種你一個就給他送去這個就對他傷害很大 |
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所以我的意思就是說其實我們盡量的要送檢察官要起訴之前要先明查或者是說包括檢察官的那個起訴定罪比我們其實要求好幾年這部分都還沒改善過來那就公務員的部分來講其實 |
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很多公務員希望有擔當但是很多公務員很無奈地說我沒資格去做或者吃不完就走所以就是說如果有針鋒組織的參與事實上對他們來講我敢有擔當嘛我同時有健康主義都在現場我也不怕你後悔想啊有的想要後悔來的看到健康主義在現場他就不敢後悔來所以這個部分我希望能夠繼續推動那另外就是說還有一個就是說比如說 |
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資格標加最低標跟最有利標跟純粹的最低標這三種工程會會不會去擬定一個概略的原則 |
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我請副主委來跟您說 包委那個就這個最有利標到底應該平選什麼項目那個是我們法規上面有去做對 我想 我意思是我們政府民意要注意的 因為你買東西的時候有一些買新衣服可能有的款式 買一樣的衣服要再倒還是要修補的 那種的有可能就是說你用最低標跟最有利標之間有可能 也有這種可能性啦 |
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我意思就是說我們工程會繼續掛這種概略性的問題那我今天在減少弊病跟能夠保持品質的這些部分去找到一個平衡點就是說這個部分要拜託工程會再疏克一下最後我簡單再拜託一下就是BOT跟ROT這促成法在我們現在工程會的角度說那是財政部的對不對 |
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因為這個業務已經移到財政部來我們讓三位請問落入這個問題B公共工程建設是我們工程會的對吧B之後要OT的時候發現沒夠營還是攤營所以你B跟OT如果沒有一起想就會造成我們方向車站現在飆兩次了現在要飆第三次了 |
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我一直擔心說這個飆不出去有一個問題就是說他們如果要符合本來的功能規範啦現在要可能還要再做改建所以就是說你在B跟OT如果沒有一起思考你現在公共工程在工程會出產法在財政部我B是在工程會啊我OT還在財政部啊 |
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它應該是整個計畫是一個案這個計畫經過行政院來審查來核定是同時核定是屬於BOT案那至於它的建造部分它有基本設計嘛基本設計那個才是工程會審查的我知道 |
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那如果說因為這個機關招標有困難我們也樂意來共同來協調或者是說是不是能夠提供一些意見來加速所以這個就有兩個方向嘛一個方向就是說我弄什麼車頭要怎麼補救 |
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這一點 拜託工程會跟我們合作一下後面的他可能要變成ROT那ROT跟工程會也沒有關係 |
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他應該就是說他一開始建的時候就沒有想要VOT,只想要建所以他會走公共餐館採購那建完以後,那麼他就兩種選擇一個是有關經營管理的部分,他還可以採用政府採購他還可以走促餐所以他後面這個部分就會出現兩種可能其實我是凸顯這個問題這個問題我們要解決之外要凸顯這個問題就是說注意、了解 |
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醫療公共工程有可能BOT的其實你一開始就要做回事啦所以我現在就是說對於一個公共建設在工程會出產法又在財政部現在變什麼 |
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這個統合的時候每一個單位有可能未來有可能是OT的部分都要去陷畢業的時候就要做回想法所以是不是工程會這個部分思考一下建立一下說怎麼去把這一個關係結合在一起比如說全國很多的重大公共建設要建的時候以後要OT的時候 |
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假設我現在要不去 請注意你覺得要怎麼處理才好就是在促餐跟公共工廠的部分要怎麼樣去整合 |
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這個還是回到他原案啦原案在做可信性評估或者是中規的時候他應該都想到了最好是原來一個案原來就是準備原案就有打算以後要OT了以後就做什麼這個規劃他應該一開始 |
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甚至有的是 比方說有的是潛在廠商就要進來討論了我舉例啦 我舉例高鐵的經營那鐵道局在做的時候一開始就要跟未來要營運的高鐵公司就要討論了嘛 |
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那他一定有他的想法 但鐵道局在興建這個高鐵的時候 也有他的想法所以他一開始就要進來了 這比較大的公共工程案是這樣所以現在大跟小 就希望主委 我們熟悉一下啦你要回到你以後有可能要再後退的結筆案啦我們應該用什麼角度去宣導 |
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651.398 |
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或者是在哪個法規應該怎麼訂人家再來研究啦 就是說醫療這個所在如果有可能必須要再OT的那就不要再分工程會跟財政部啦要怎麼整合來做一個醫療對台灣所有的建設不是只有我們學校廠而已所有的建設做一個整體的宿客好不好 再拜託主委幫我研究一下我們再討論好 謝謝 |