| IVOD_ID |
162248 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162248 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-04T14:21:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-04T14:28:54+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/dfdeed74d30b9828dca2be76773bbf0d5e54a9d8358219465c023702ac6ce1c064a5fa53d23552a65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:21:57 - 14:28:54 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、本院台灣民眾黨黨團，有鑑於行政院主計總處行文各縣市政府，將中央編列給地方政府的一般性補助款自114年度5至12月份分配及撥付數全數改為未分配數，已嚴重違反立法院通案刪減、促進政府資源有效配置之決議精神。中央政府預算編列浮濫，原編列三兆一千億元，立法院通案刪減後仍有二兆九千億餘元之數，為中華民國史上最高之中央政府總預算，本院本於職責審議預算，以督促中央政府增進財務效能、減少不當經濟支出甚至浪費之目的，中央政府不思檢討如何有效節用分配資源，卻意圖慷地方政府之慨，緊縮一般性補助款補助事項，將直轄市、準用直轄市規定之縣及縣（市）基本財政收支差短與定額設算之教育、社會福利及基本設施等改為未分配數，此舉不僅違反原預算刪減提案之意旨，更將嚴重影響地方財政及運作，對地方長期建設造成劇烈衝擊。爰建請院會作成決議：「行政院主計總處應依立法院審議中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案通案刪減之決議意旨，由中央各機關及所屬編列之預算刪減調整，並立即將一般性補助款足額撥付予地方政府。」請公決案。【本案如經院會復議，則不予審查】
二、邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲、內政部劉部長世芳及法務部就「近十年中央政府依財政收支劃分法、地方制度法等地方政府之補助情形及對均衡地方經濟發展之成效」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 本席請主席長請主席長 |
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主席長 您剛剛一直說630.61不能刪了本席想請問您 你有召開相關部會整個過來大家一起協調嗎 有沒有有沒有 不要浪費我時間好 OK 你就詢問幾個 你程序完全錯誤 |
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你玩 你應該 這636億叫做通案刪減你就應該把各部會找來大家討論到底誰哪裡可以挪 哪裡可以挪你沒有 你沒有你這個就是程序不正義 程序錯誤再來你剛剛說你有問幾個 請問你問了幾個 |
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我有問財政部啦所以你只問財政部所以大家要知道我們真的要請在座的我們各地政府還有我們其他各部會的包含媒體還有我們這個網路的民眾你這個通案刪減應該要召集各部會的你問都沒問就問個財政部好啊那你問都不問表示其實可以刪你沒有刪嘛 |
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對不對對 然後你剛剛你沒有問你就回答所有的立委說喔 真的不能再刪了怎麼有這種做事的主席長 因為我對您不熟啊我還特別看了一下 妳是我學姊妳在成大兩年 我在成大四年所以 妳這樣做事我真的 我覺得很訝異這第一個所以很明顯我們行政單位就是有瑕疵再來第二個 |
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你地方政府你不該刪的你這樣給他刪減這個剛剛很多委員講了那本席還要追究您的責任因為立法院每年審查運算通案刪減他是常態 |
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也就是說不管馬英九總統陳水扁總統馬英九總統到蔡英文總統都是如此為什麼過去通案刪減沒有像今年這麼荒謬的情況原因在於通案刪減提出來之後我們要三讀之前 |
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其實立法院都會通知行政院還有我們特別你們財主單位還有各部會要一起來協調請問去年或者是今年1月就總之就是在我們預算三讀之前你有沒有接到通知 |
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有我有參加你有接到通知你有參加就是黨團協商的部分要不要刪減這個部分這個有協商嗎不是喔我是指各部會來你們所有有各部會有來嗎本席知道的是要協調的時候你們沒有各部會來協調這就是最大的程序瑕疵程序問題啊 |
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因為事實上我要跟委員報告我們秘書長也有召開就是針對計劃型補助能不能刪減但是還是大家都沒有辦法刪減所以計劃型補助不是叫做計劃型補助你這個顧卓悠而言她你們你現在要給我跳開了我現在講的是我們在三讀整個通案三檢三讀之前大家都會找來然後好好的協調每一個案怎麼樣三檢怎麼樣三檢 |
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今年最特別就是你們很多單位沒有參與而且沒有進行這個必要的程序才出現這個問題出現了這個問題之後應該是各部會刪減你們也沒刪減所以才產生現在你們竟然你們是刻意其實是惡意的給地方政府然後然後執政黨一直說是藍白亂刪預算藍白沒有亂刪預算是你們該通案 |
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協調討論的時候完全沒有協調討論我是問組長我是請我們處長來答覆什麼公務預算處的處長是有看協商會議但是沒有共識協商會議大家有來嗎有但是沒有共識所以問題就出在怎麼樣沒有共識你說嘛那一天實際的情況你們講啊 |
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當時在討論的時候因為三黨的說明當然最後就是沒有結果嘛過去所有的行政單位都會來說明你們那一天所有行政單位有來嗎 |
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沒有啊前面不會請所有部會都來前面應該是由我們主席總署還有各黨團的總召還有幹部先討論到最後怎麼進行後面的協商程序對 應該要進行後面的協商程序但是前面這一步他就已經沒有共識了就後面就沒有召開了為什麼沒有共識要刪這個為什麼沒有共識你們那就是你們等於 |
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不買這個帳嘛不應該啊你們就應該要協調啊所以從頭到尾行政單位該每個部會來協調即便三讀通過以後你們該做的也是這件事沒有做所以千萬不要說藍白亂三一算藍白沒有亂三一算藍白的行為都是合法合理的 |
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因為沒有經過協商 最後就是進到院會去表決然後刪減這樣的數額好 表決 所以我剛剛講嘛 表決通過以後你們各部會應該找來協商 沒有協商欸 這個 主席長你剛剛回答很多委員 你都說沒有辦法你沒有召開大家過來協商 你就說沒有辦法你這個 在國會這樣隨意亂答我跟你講 你會有責任 我跟你講 |
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你們根本就是用立場在講話不是協商沒有被採納而是你們沒有接納因為我們就是636億啊所以主席長我真的很遺憾你可能會有責任就這樣好謝謝行政委員 |