| IVOD_ID |
162247 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162247 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-04T14:12:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-04T14:21:48+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/dfdeed74d30b9828b18c39670a9c4a215e54a9d8358219465c023702ac6ce1c052fbb683eb77f5d55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:12:42 - 14:21:48 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、本院台灣民眾黨黨團，有鑑於行政院主計總處行文各縣市政府，將中央編列給地方政府的一般性補助款自114年度5至12月份分配及撥付數全數改為未分配數，已嚴重違反立法院通案刪減、促進政府資源有效配置之決議精神。中央政府預算編列浮濫，原編列三兆一千億元，立法院通案刪減後仍有二兆九千億餘元之數，為中華民國史上最高之中央政府總預算，本院本於職責審議預算，以督促中央政府增進財務效能、減少不當經濟支出甚至浪費之目的，中央政府不思檢討如何有效節用分配資源，卻意圖慷地方政府之慨，緊縮一般性補助款補助事項，將直轄市、準用直轄市規定之縣及縣（市）基本財政收支差短與定額設算之教育、社會福利及基本設施等改為未分配數，此舉不僅違反原預算刪減提案之意旨，更將嚴重影響地方財政及運作，對地方長期建設造成劇烈衝擊。爰建請院會作成決議：「行政院主計總處應依立法院審議中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案通案刪減之決議意旨，由中央各機關及所屬編列之預算刪減調整，並立即將一般性補助款足額撥付予地方政府。」請公決案。【本案如經院會復議，則不予審查】
二、邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲、內政部劉部長世芳及法務部就「近十年中央政府依財政收支劃分法、地方制度法等地方政府之補助情形及對均衡地方經濟發展之成效」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席我請我們台北市代表 現在是財政局局長嗎那另外就是主計長 |
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委員好我先請教我們台北市財政局局長在刪除了台北市的一般補助款之後請問一下台北市的教育經費例如學校的水電費例如親韓學生的營養午餐費有沒有受到影響跟委員報告因為就教育的部分我們被刪了12 |
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那在這個包括我們親韓學生的午餐費都可能會受到影響那另外老人的福利也受到很多的影響所以我們在內部討論的時候我們的社會局長教育局長都愁眉苦臉不知道要從何下手 |
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我想請問一下清涵學生大概是多少人呢大概有1.6萬戶就是1.6萬戶的清涵學生的營養午餐受到影響然後老人的福利也會受到影響那老人福利主要是在哪一個部分是在包括老人的乘車補助收容安置長照以及包括我們健保自負額的補助等等都受到影響所以 |
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按照現在中央這樣一刀砍下去雖然台北市是財政比較好一點因為我所知道像包含宜蘭跟苗栗恐怕都要舉債度日那即便是台北市的話我們其實倒楣的又是我們的孩子跟我們的長者我們過去一直在講就說窮不能窮教育 苦不能苦孩子 |
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所以這次這樣砍下去對台北市確實包含我們的長者跟我們的孩子學校會受到影響所以我在這邊也應該呼叫一下我們台北市另外兩位立委吳思瑤委員和吳佩奕委員他們知不支持行政院這樣胡砍亂砍的一個方式然後直接影響到我們台北市的孩子們苦了我們尤其是親韓學生的營養午餐讓他們吃不飽 |
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好 我們這些 如果今天這些大人們吃得飽飽的然後呢 那我們的孩子吃不飽這是不是我們民進黨台北市立委兩位立委 他們認為這是應該的好 那我想 我再請教一下我們主計長主計長那個Paul Poe 你準備一下 |
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這個法定義務 法律義務支出明細表這是不是主計處提供的是是主計處提供的 對不對那請問在一百一四年度的法律義務支出明細表裡面有沒有對地方的一般補助款有沒有 有有金額多少兩千五百零一 |
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兩千五百零一億 對不對那所以這個項目也是你們這次砍的項目嘛 對不對啊 那奇怪了既然是法律義務支出這個是你提供給立法院的嘛 對不對為什麼提供給立法院為什麼要把這個明信表提供給立法院 |
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因為告訴我們立法院說這些不能刪嘛 對不對就是你送到立法院來審預算的時候 我們不能砍這些預算 對吧是不是原則上是希望盡量不要刪啦就是不能砍嘛 不然什麼叫做法律義務支出呢就是告訴你立法院這些你不要砍 你不能砍因為它都有相關的法律依據嘛 你們還有法律依據嘛 對不對 |
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為什麼立法院不能砍你們行政院可以砍呢因為以往立法院審查還是有刪減的一個案例譬如說國債複息譬如說拆團法兩維權統治所以你們可以砍你自己說是法律義務之初然後你自己砍 |
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不是因為我們盡量不要砍但是你不得不的時候你怎麼叫不得不為什麼不得不要去砍到法律因為你要砍636我們的確有問題是這樣子所以有什麼問題呢我們剛才也講請問一下我們刪除了636億裡面有11項這11項裡面有沒有對地方補助有沒有有 |
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我們砍掉的636億裡面的桶山一共有11項這11項裡面哪一個是對地方補助 |
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她是沒有 但是她說她另外刪減補足那不是就是在你那個所有統刪的項目裡面去統刪嗎統刪項目沒辦法這樣刪統刪項目沒辦法刪 特別費你沒辦法刪對不對請問一下統刪項目裡面有沒有特別費有沒有主管的特別費所以主管特別費沒有刪 沒有辦法刪 |
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好 行政院的這些長官的特別費不能刪然後孩子的營養這個親韓學生的這個午餐 營養午餐可以刪你這告訴我這個意思嗎蛤 是不是長官的特別費不能刪好 那我請問一下我請問一下在這個桶山項目裡面有沒有包含公務車的有沒有公務車沒有 |
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公務車沒有嗎它是設備級投資啊對啊 相關的設備啊相關的支出啊有沒有它有刪設備級投資但是沒有指定說要刪車輛對 但是包不包含公務車嘛包不包含嘛應該是包含包含好 所以你又告訴我這些行政院高官的公務車不能刪但是呢 親韓學生的營養午餐可以刪 |
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因為你告訴我 你這些都不能刪嘛合理嗎 |
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我們已經講過這個桶山的項目裡面就是在那十一項啊那十一項裡面沒有對地方的補助款那十一項裡面含有我剛講的包含高官的特資費包含公務車特資費公務車你不能砍你可以砍對地方補助款你可以砍掉對長者不管是敬老老人年金農保的補助或者是 |
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親韓學生的這些營養午餐你告訴我就是這些啊 合理嗎還不要講什麼中正路了誒該生不生我問你嘛我問你 主席長主席長我問你當你這樣亂刪的時候刪到親韓學生的營養午餐你覺得你於心何忍 |
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450.063 |
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476.665 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
你覺得應該嗎如果是我們在處理我們不衛生青函學生的那個午餐啦可是這就是包含他的項目就在這裡面啊對 但是我們可以准結其他不必要的開支啊那請問為什麼你們都不准結其他你們必要的開支呢你們請問一下我們統生項目裡面有沒有包含媒體宣傳會有沒有媒體宣傳會 已經刪了百分之六十了還可不可以刪呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
480.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
495.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
不能刪 又已經刪了百分之六十了特別會也刪百分之六十了我問你喔 高官是不是很多都是做商務艙啊出國會也刪百分之六十了大陸也刪百分之八十了 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
496.548 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
514.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
高官坐商務艙不能刪高官的坐車不能刪高官的特製費不能刪但是親韓學生的營養午餐可以刪這就是你們今天亂砍地方補助款最後的結果可惡了真的很可惡 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
515.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
543.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
你說要用一些補救措施喔請你補救措施最應該要做的就是你們先把你們自己啊先好好重新檢視一下六百多億我不相信欸在中央將近三兆元裡面你說你六百多億你沒有辦法遵截一定要去砍一定要去摳住這些教育費或者社會福利的這些相關費用這個實在是太超過以上 |
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| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
545.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
謝謝 |