| IVOD_ID |
162244 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162244 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-04T13:34:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-04T13:47:29+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:08 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/dfdeed74d30b982819513a3acacdd6195e54a9d8358219467bb1e23192d70fed9ece5cc56f5d9c585ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:34:21 - 13:47:29 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、本院台灣民眾黨黨團，有鑑於行政院主計總處行文各縣市政府，將中央編列給地方政府的一般性補助款自114年度5至12月份分配及撥付數全數改為未分配數，已嚴重違反立法院通案刪減、促進政府資源有效配置之決議精神。中央政府預算編列浮濫，原編列三兆一千億元，立法院通案刪減後仍有二兆九千億餘元之數，為中華民國史上最高之中央政府總預算，本院本於職責審議預算，以督促中央政府增進財務效能、減少不當經濟支出甚至浪費之目的，中央政府不思檢討如何有效節用分配資源，卻意圖慷地方政府之慨，緊縮一般性補助款補助事項，將直轄市、準用直轄市規定之縣及縣（市）基本財政收支差短與定額設算之教育、社會福利及基本設施等改為未分配數，此舉不僅違反原預算刪減提案之意旨，更將嚴重影響地方財政及運作，對地方長期建設造成劇烈衝擊。爰建請院會作成決議：「行政院主計總處應依立法院審議中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案通案刪減之決議意旨，由中央各機關及所屬編列之預算刪減調整，並立即將一般性補助款足額撥付予地方政府。」請公決案。【本案如經院會復議，則不予審查】
二、邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲、內政部劉部長世芳及法務部就「近十年中央政府依財政收支劃分法、地方制度法等地方政府之補助情形及對均衡地方經濟發展之成效」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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韓國瑜議員 |
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謝謝主席請主席長給我責任補定陳主席長 莊部長委員好主規定你2002年應該已經進入主計體系了嘛你知道2002年一樣有謝謝 謝謝主席 |
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時間調回來調回來 我叫你時間調回來調回來啦 時間不過喔 不用擔心組長 2002年一樣要通山 要行政院自行調整多少錢 你曉得嗎300多億 800多億吧658億比你現在的636還多對不對那時候有沒有調整好 |
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有三大地方補助款嗎對啊那時候中央政府的規模只有現在的大概一半耶那時候大概只有一兆五千億同樣是民進黨執政中度你沉水點啊平靜一點張靜雄要你自行調整要通商的幅度比你經濟還大為什麼沉水點行現在經濟不行 |
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張建雄行 你中央派就不行以前主席黨行 現在為什麼你這不行咧有潛力可循啊 怎麼會自然來行咧民進黨政府是什麼 一代不如一代嗎現在還這樣對不起人民 還砍人民的錢砍的是社福 砍的是教育砍的是基礎建設 你們到底有沒有良心啊你們把人民放在心上嗎 |
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一個是能力問題以前能夠做現在為什麼不能做第二更重要你有沒有心啊你不就是要幫人民服務的嗎怎麼去砍人民最直接的預算呢那很多是中低收入戶是長輩是小孩窮也去幫窮在教育啊你當主計長你不就是要負責把優先順序定好對不對就去砍那個最不該砍的你心裡有人民嗎 |
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大部分就是正義裁員的一個部分那所以三項基本設施的部分是六度但是六度他本身裁員就比較好所以這個部分就是比較影響的比較少署計長跟行政院一個重責大任你最重要的你不就是施政院的優先順序嗎是對不對這會是你最該砍的嗎因為他影響你要怎麼調他影響的是順度當初立法院為什麼做這個決議 |
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因為你的預算膨脹得太快今年都是創歷史新高而且一下子本來增加將近四千億耶你們本來編的是三兆一千多耶而且裡面一堆當費當費跟補當 甚至B&I租業訂來 輕重緩急 我問你你們在編預算之前你在主計單位這麼久你們在看審計部的決算嗎你有沒有在看審計部的決算書有嘛 |
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每一年審計部的結算書有指出多少浪費跟不當的你不會拿來參考唷你要調636當然這個裡面不當跟浪費的一定比你現在講的地方的這個補助款更要砍嘛你不是輕重罰金哪個輕哪個重哪個急哪個緩你怎麼去砍地方的基礎建設社福跟教育呢來我來跟你討論你去翻一翻那個審計部的結算書 |
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國發基金不只是腐爛一堆批案光是投資 聯合再生 民進黨的大金屬140億元一個投資案虧損140億元 怎麼代表起人民投資一個如心牛仔褲 不然能贏過嗎 |
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撇了人民納稅錢 撇了一褲子 你們要看結算書你要先砍這一種啊 你怎麼會砍人民的錢呢報告委員 國化基金它是附屬單位預算 它不是總預算國化基金是腳褲的一個部份 你可以翻結算書嘛裡面看到哪些是不當的錢嘛 浪費的錢嘛就剛剛講國化基金的投資浪費 人民納稅名高之外 |
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真的太讓人家生氣了我前面跟你講的前瞻運算一個前陣漁港要五毛給一千塊韓國瑜當高雄市長說要前陣漁港補助三千個一毛錢都不給陳吉茂上來可以給八十一億你中央怎麼會沒錢你中央錢多得有些些喔 |
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都是圖利你們民進黨的利誘有圖利民進黨政府嘛為什麼不給一般的民眾呢最近說沒錢內政部要搞什麼改路 改什麼從政路還說沒錢 中央給你錢內政部不要改 不就錢就省下來了嗎是不是你告訴我他憑什麼現在吃肉多餓是不是 |
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那麼多重要的事情不做,你還講說地方沒錢,你改入名,中央給你錢,去把那個錢扣回來啊搞什麼大罷免,至少發十二億,這不是民脂民膏嗎結算書裡面還檢討過一個很重要的,知不知道整個中央政府的那個基金跟財團法人,腐爛 |
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領了一堆人民的納稅錢又不好好做事情我正在跟你說啊中央稀產會讓費我們人民的納稅錢至少讓費五億多超市雞蛋 買了雞蛋進來還沒進倉庫就壞掉了後來又銷毀發我們人民納稅錢五億多這個中央稀產會的董事長本來是無幾值欸您從前 他下台以後他可以一年領三百萬請去看一看 |
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審計部的結算書或者超時雞蛋的這個弊案中央續產會中央政府有多少的財團法人多少基金你跟我說的他們憑什麼領的薪水比你多中央續產會當署訂的那三百萬還配車身體檢討嘛你六百三十六億我都已經說過了幾百億了國發基金的投資浪費前瞻預算裡面的這個浪費 |
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剛剛講的改入名這個浪費整個中央的這個基金財團法人的改革你改革這個有掌聲啊人家不只不罵你還感謝你你做改革然後去砍人家最重要的事情他都是附屬單位預算不是總預算啊他的錢是從你這邊進來嘛你為什麼不會去省不會去改革因為一般附屬單位預算你跟外國內政部 等一下來 署長你專家你聽我說 |
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第一個 剛講的內政部那個是不是這個錢等一下我還要跟你講還有咧事務發布拿了人民納稅錢去租那個台北市最貴的星光大樓 地厚這已經減少多久了我以前當記者的時候印象還很深刻啊政府花了多少錢浪費去租了很好的辦公室那時候的省記長 |
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蘇振平站在這位王建憲坐在外面問他他說這個問題這麼嚴重 讓我們人民納稅警去蘇辦公室蘇振平說你給我一年時間我去處理 不行我切腹自殺以前的政務官是這樣幹的啦你看以前的省紀長 處紀長是這樣幫人民勘整每一分荷包 每一分錢 做改革嘛現在不是 你們擔當到哪裡去了我剛剛講的這是不是都是該改的 |
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不管是本來從中央政府錢要出去或者是你從附屬的這個機構你錢要從人民的錢進去啊你要找636億很容易找回去翻審計部的結算書好不好好 更重要的更重要的我現在幫你找到錢了喔我今天已經跟你講了從以前2002年有心理陳水扁可以處理 |
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張敬雄可以處理 現在的賴清德跟中瀾跟新任的主席長 陳主席長 你們就要有辦法處理有利可行 不要講自然來行第二個 我今天連錢都跟你講了 我連方法都跟你講了都在閒省計部的結算書還有很多立法委員找出來的 浪費的 不當的還有一些弊案的你砍了哲平才會感謝你嘛 結果現在不是 現在嚴重在什麼地方你現在砍了你怎麼 你默著良心講 自規定 |
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你本來應該去做改革 沒有結果你現在砍的都是人民最重要的事情第一個你怎麼會想到砍社福預算你如果還在台南你怎麼去面對你去跟你的台南市的市民講說我的社福預算中低收入戶你的錢不要我要把你砍掉了老人家的錢小孩的錢教育的錢你要砍掉你怎麼去面對民眾 |
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而且更重要的,當初立法院在審這個預算,來,我給你看一下,你對著你眼睛看到可以砍地方的補助款,我們當初立法院刪減的是什麼?中央政府及所屬啊,你對著你眼睛看到有地方補助款,明明砍的都是中央政府機關跟所屬啊, |
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你是不要理我 還是中邪的這不是嚴重違法嗎現在還把責任甩鍋給立法院大家都知道你們行政院砍的嘛而且你們砍的跟立法院要求又不一樣而且你們在審的過程裡面地方補助館一毛錢都沒有砍耶好 接下來看裁判法剛剛國參有特別跟你們講我們在修這個法的時候就是怕你們衝康嘛所以我們法律裡面明明定的清清楚楚 |
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去年就已經三讀通過了餒你現在還在砍另外我問你一個專業的問題現在那麼多縣市的代表都在這邊你們什麼時候給他們地方補助款的一般補助款你什麼時候跟他講的你什麼時候合訂的七年八月對不對 |
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去年8月你把補助款核定給人家包括嘉義市 新北市 台北市 彰化每個地方把它當成稅入對不對稅入還送到各個議會去審議員都通過了你現在可以砍喔所以你三大違法第一跟立法院的規定審三讀的時候也不一樣第二個違反財務法第三個你違反你當初跟整個地方政府約定的是不是這樣三大違法你砍的又是三大最不能砍的 |
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社福 基礎建設 教育好啦 最後說個結論台灣民眾黨今天態度非常堅決喔因為人民的反應很熱烈各個縣市政府也要求馬上要把地方這個額度要補足今天我們已經提出提案了要求行政院你要遵守我們當初我們要求要通山的 自行調整的是在中央各機關及所屬所編列的預算裡面去調整不能夠去動到地方的 |
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那你現在砍了 請立即補儲額還給地方你太客氣了 台積一年的預算才203億砍了17.3億 他要做什麼啊而且都跟這邊有關的 都要補儲好不好主席拜託我要要求一下喔 今天一定要處理我們民眾黨 絕對要求今天要處理喔今天不要以為民進黨來耍流氓喔 背個碗以後就沒有處理 |
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這行政已經無法無天 違法亂紀了更不允許民進黨立委在這邊亂好的我們今天要求 今天一定要處理民眾黨的提案趕快把足額的地方補助款拖補給各個縣市政府 謝謝好 謝謝張委員 |