| IVOD_ID |
162241 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162241 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-04T13:07:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-04T13:20:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/dfdeed74d30b98284cd8b189c4e851de5e54a9d8358219467bb1e23192d70fed0303f983ebd4ce0e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅明才 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:07:55 - 13:20:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、本院台灣民眾黨黨團，有鑑於行政院主計總處行文各縣市政府，將中央編列給地方政府的一般性補助款自114年度5至12月份分配及撥付數全數改為未分配數，已嚴重違反立法院通案刪減、促進政府資源有效配置之決議精神。中央政府預算編列浮濫，原編列三兆一千億元，立法院通案刪減後仍有二兆九千億餘元之數，為中華民國史上最高之中央政府總預算，本院本於職責審議預算，以督促中央政府增進財務效能、減少不當經濟支出甚至浪費之目的，中央政府不思檢討如何有效節用分配資源，卻意圖慷地方政府之慨，緊縮一般性補助款補助事項，將直轄市、準用直轄市規定之縣及縣（市）基本財政收支差短與定額設算之教育、社會福利及基本設施等改為未分配數，此舉不僅違反原預算刪減提案之意旨，更將嚴重影響地方財政及運作，對地方長期建設造成劇烈衝擊。爰建請院會作成決議：「行政院主計總處應依立法院審議中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案通案刪減之決議意旨，由中央各機關及所屬編列之預算刪減調整，並立即將一般性補助款足額撥付予地方政府。」請公決案。【本案如經院會復議，則不予審查】
二、邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲、內政部劉部長世芳及法務部就「近十年中央政府依財政收支劃分法、地方制度法等地方政府之補助情形及對均衡地方經濟發展之成效」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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我們最近這十年,稅收年年超增,去年超增多少? |
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中央的部分是3000全部加起來全國我找一下前年大概多少前年的最近這五年5283去年5283 5000多億再來前年中央是3757億再來 |
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我們這幾年來稅收年年超徵都是幾千億幾百億中央不是沒錢啊那我請問一下部長你這些錢都是來自哪裡是不是來自22縣市各縣市的努力工商企業所有的稅收的來源集中在中央所以中央才變成這樣很有錢嘛 |
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不然你的錢是哪裡來的我想我們的稅收基本上是政府和人民大家共同努力然後經濟成長的一個成果好 謝謝接著主席請主席長 |
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陳主席長以及我們新北市政府的邱敬斌秘書長因為我們常常立委都會在聊天麻煩請新竹縣所以委員平常都很用心希望 |
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可以為地方特別是弱勢團體社福團體未來國家的希望小朋友的照顧兒少的部分大家盡心盡力希望為地方來多爭取一點所以之前我跟我們新竹的林思敏林委員還有曾振全政委員他們一直覺得像新竹因為有竹科啊其實對台灣的 |
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財政的貢獻非常非常大 新北的貢獻也非常非常多都是來自地方 大家片手之足 錢拿到中央結果今天居然要三地方的一般性的補助 有良心嗎 |
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本席長期以來最關心的就是地方社福的問題老人的照顧長照的問題小朋友未來的教育的問題結果今天你們正式不做搞一些亂七八糟的事我請問一下主席長錢要花在刀口嘛你要改 |
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全國改成中正路要改名要花多少錢這是內政部的內政部請問一下吳次長全國如果中正路要改名要花多少錢 |
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跟委員報告目前無法估算因為要修改入名的部分還是有地方選擇那這個要有共識會不會超過1億會不會超過10億可能還是要另外估算統計一下那我請問一下搞一個大罷免要花多少錢這個可能中選會會比較清楚12億要花12億 |
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所以我們發現很多事情中央事實上該花的花不該花的就不該花嘛你去搞一個請竹記長太陽能發電這幾年來花了多少錢這個不是我的業務所以我也不是清楚那你覺得中央的部分有什麼地方是不該花而花的 |
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我們現在大部分都被刪減了所以現在輕微被刪減了很厲害所以很多都是連水電都出不來你摸著良心啊摸著良心喔 |
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對這些地方的最基礎 最弱勢的照顧妳怎麼忍心要刪這些錢呢我們也不想刪啊 但是不得不啊妳有自愛難行的地方嗎刪了2076億 所以我們負益啊因為我們執行有困難妳有自愛難行的地方嗎對 所以我們自愛難行妳有錢準備花心思去改中正路妳有錢要去補貼台電一次就一千億 一千億 一千億二話不說就給 |
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那你居然 我想像不到你看起來也是慈眉善目的你居然要砍地方社福的預算砍對年輕人的照顧砍對婦女的關懷主席我們現在請新北市那個新北市 邱秘書長 |
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我們看得匪夷所思啊因為中央錢很多我剛剛都講了去年光是稅收就超徵五千多億你跟所有的這個弱勢團體跟婦女團體在那邊支出畢竟居然還要刪這些人的預算 |
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請問如果他這樣刪的話對地方對這些弱勢團體影響的人士大概有多少對小朋友未來的營養午餐影響會不會很嚴重 |
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好 那非常謝謝羅委員 我想委員一直非常關心弱勢 在新北的弱勢跟孩子的教育在這一次我剛剛有特別說明 這一次單單在社福預算的部分補助的經費的部分 三儲了16.121 減福的部分佔了35.86% |
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那當然在那個海龍的教育補助的經費7.6億減幅的部分是21.83那單單弱勢族群的補助的部分影響的影響人數就將近10萬人10萬人還不包括基礎建設還不包括其他教育的一些相關 |
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設施的改善等等基礎建設裡面包括道路的整平以及包括橋樑的維護等等尤其台灣又是在低震帶這些安全設施其實都是人民基本生活安全上面所必須要保障的所以在昨天開會的時候所有同仁非常沉重的才告訴我說秘書長 |
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這不是要調整來向的問題重點是我們不知道怎麼去面對這些的民眾怎麼去告訴他們這些事情要如何去做調整那這一點在新北市影響非常的大我們希望中央的部分對於一般性補助款的部分能夠盡快的撥補給我們尤其是新北市我們在過去的部分到目前為止我們還累積虧損了887億一年期的公共債務的部分還有940億 |
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所以這個部分我們一直都在遵節開支希望能夠能夠在醫院上面能夠節省但是面對這樣子的一個預算的刪減其實我們其實沒有辦法負擔在這裡跟委員這邊報告那你會不會覺得很難過因為我們地方片手之足所有收的稅源這個財政的這個收支來源收了以後都給中央 |
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結果中央變成來克扣地方的一般性的補助這樣合理嗎委員我剛剛有特別說明這個是我當公務員到現在為止開過最沉重的一次會然後我真的不知道答案為何我也不知道怎麼去回答我們同仁是那大家也可以感覺到今天早上 |
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吳秉瑞其他委員說有做七屆有做六屆那我這邊做八屆了我從來也沒有看過中央是這樣蠻橫不講理的這樣亂搞而且影響的人是那麼多這些弱勢的社福團體這些小朋友這些媽媽這些老人怎麼辦啊 |
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接著主席可不可以請新竹縣黃局長你能不能說明一下新竹縣因為附近有科學園區的關係事實上你們對中央的貢獻度也非常高那你面對現在來砍你們一般性的預算對你們的影響大不大因為我常常聽到林世民林委員他很積極在爭取啊 |
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你可不可以說明一下好的 謝謝委員事實上就誠如委員講的我們新竹縣是全國出生率跟遷入率最高的一個縣市現在全國都是少子化剛剛王世堅委員也有提到可是我們新竹縣是為台灣的少子化做了很大的一個貢獻 |
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那在整個招商引資的部分我們新竹縣也連續六年是招商評比的第一名也就是說在貢獻中央稅收的部分我們新竹縣跟新竹市事實上貢獻是非常大的 |
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那這一次呢就是接到這個主計總署的通知去刪減我們的一般性補助款我們真的是不敢置信為什麼不敢置信因為我們今年二十幾年沒有修的財務法好不容易通過我們都來不及高興從今年二月到五月事實上財政部就因為稅收收入的關係就減薄我們的統籌分配稅款分別減薄一成五到四成五那現在一般性補助款呢 |
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從五月份開始 主席總署又通知 又緩撥那基本上 而且甚至可能是刪除那這樣的話對我們地方政府造成很大的一個傷害那在一般性補助款的部分我們大概就減撥20.681那20.681這裡面的經費呢 |
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我們有校舍的興建有新生兒還有包含那個免費的營養午餐然後還有一些弱勢的照顧我們為了讓我們新竹縣的年輕人願生能養所以我們在整個教育經費社福經費的部分我們投入很多那一般性補助款我們就把它用在刀口上可是我們沒有想到我們竹地總署居然 |
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過去都沒有刪減的一般性補助款在這次做這麼大幅的一個刪減那另外我針對主席總署他剛剛主席長對中央對直轄市及縣市政府補助辦法的解釋我有很大的一個疑問因為第三條的規定中央為謀全國經濟平衡的發展 |
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得市直轄市及縣市政府財政收支狀況來作以補助而不是市中央的財政狀況還有你預算變資的情形而且這個經費當時不管是統籌分配稅款或一般性補助款在去年都是由中央核定的 |
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那你核定了以後你現在片面的又把它刪減如果這樣可以做的話那請問一下我縣市政府的預算如果經過議會刪減我可不可以去刪對鄉鎮市公所的補助經費呢所以這部分的話我們有很大一個質疑我們希望主席總署能夠懸崖勒馬趕快把應該撥給地方政府的經費趕快撥給我們謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝黃局長我們也共同希望足跡總署這裡可以懸崖勒馬不要恣意妄為更不要欺負這些弱勢族群這些父女朋友老人以及兒童未來的國家的希望謝謝 |