| IVOD_ID |
162240 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162240 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-04T12:56:13+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-04T13:07:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/dfdeed74d30b982881cb29a8ec2fc2065e54a9d8358219467bb1e23192d70fed56161e727e47ac5e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:56:13 - 13:07:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、本院台灣民眾黨黨團，有鑑於行政院主計總處行文各縣市政府，將中央編列給地方政府的一般性補助款自114年度5至12月份分配及撥付數全數改為未分配數，已嚴重違反立法院通案刪減、促進政府資源有效配置之決議精神。中央政府預算編列浮濫，原編列三兆一千億元，立法院通案刪減後仍有二兆九千億餘元之數，為中華民國史上最高之中央政府總預算，本院本於職責審議預算，以督促中央政府增進財務效能、減少不當經濟支出甚至浪費之目的，中央政府不思檢討如何有效節用分配資源，卻意圖慷地方政府之慨，緊縮一般性補助款補助事項，將直轄市、準用直轄市規定之縣及縣（市）基本財政收支差短與定額設算之教育、社會福利及基本設施等改為未分配數，此舉不僅違反原預算刪減提案之意旨，更將嚴重影響地方財政及運作，對地方長期建設造成劇烈衝擊。爰建請院會作成決議：「行政院主計總處應依立法院審議中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案通案刪減之決議意旨，由中央各機關及所屬編列之預算刪減調整，並立即將一般性補助款足額撥付予地方政府。」請公決案。【本案如經院會復議，則不予審查】
二、邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲、內政部劉部長世芳及法務部就「近十年中央政府依財政收支劃分法、地方制度法等地方政府之補助情形及對均衡地方經濟發展之成效」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席喔那個開始尋答以前啊先請教主席一個問題啊我剛聽委員會裡面的助理跟我回報啊說談好了今天這個案子在委員會不處理是嗎 |
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這個是今天早上的時候就是具體有沒有談好等一下要請問一下賴委員因為我也是帶他當主席我剛剛到主席台我會詢問一下再跟你回答是是是沒有啦那個主席不要介意啦因為你現在是代主席我知道也不是你答應這件事情的那不過因為你現在在主席的位置上針對會議進行詢問這件事情那我只能夠請教你 |
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因為我剛在前面跟我們的代主席詢問這件事情的時候旁邊的議事人員說似乎是財委會兩個召委這件事情已經談好了今天這個案子不處理確定有這件事嗎對 是黨團那個大概有協商就是所有的委員誰跟誰協商應該是黨團應該不會只有召委協商 |
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沒有啊 我是台灣民眾黨黨團的章偉啊我從頭到尾不知道這件事啊今天要處理的是台灣民眾黨提出來的案子沒有問過台灣民眾黨兩個人私底下喬好不處理喔這樣子好嗎 您可以先質詢我現在來打電話請教一下我們那個相關的人員可以啊 我先表明一個基本的立場如果 |
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今天民進黨的立委藉由著霸佔主席台就可以為所欲為就聽他們的意思不處理這還像什麼國會啊這麼多地方政府的代表來大家為了卓榮泰的違法濫權都炸鍋了 |
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我們聽到大家的心聲急著趕快提出這個決議來也同意複為審查幾個民進黨的立委來鬧就不處理喔現在台灣是什麼立法院耍流氓的最大嗎耍流氓最大嗎可以這樣搞喔我清楚的 |
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我清楚的表達台灣民眾黨黨團的立場我絕對不贊成民進黨委員站著主席台就可以用威脅的方式喔 |
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委員好來 主席長好我問有關於這一次違法濫三地方地方補助款的事情啊狗明星說這是你的主意是不是我們有提供好幾個方案給行政院來做參考你們提供幾個方案給行政院三個方案三個方案三地方補助款是其中之一是不是是那其他兩個方案呢三債息什麼債息 |
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然後第二個方案呢各三一半那那個其他兩個方案可以提供給立法院嗎因為本身在席我們當初跟財政部協調不是啦你就針對我的問題回答就好了其他兩個方案可以提供給立法院嗎因為接下來啦我沒有打算要在今天質詢的時候去跟你爭執合法不合法的問題啦非常多的學者專家都已經站出來講了啦就明顯的違法嘛 |
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結果你們今天財政部也好主計總署的報告也好臉皮有夠厚的說合法合規你敢寫我還不敢看愛怎麼寫就怎麼寫說服不了一般的學者專家從政大財政系的陳國良教授黃耀輝教授每一個都出來罵 |
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但我們現在的行政院左龍泰死豬不怕滾水燙我就是要這樣惡搞要不然你們要怎麼樣現在在台灣是耍流氓最大啦不要臉最大我講的就是左龍泰接下來政治責任的追究談清楚就好了你說你提供三個方案最後挑全部三地方補助款做這個決策的人是不是左龍泰 |
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所以行政院來做決定行政院他沒有辦法做決定一定是人做決定其他兩個方案可不可以送來給立法院可以啊今天下班以前送來可以嗎就讓全體國人看看嘛我主席長提了什麼方案給卓榮泰最後是卓榮泰選的嘛不是你的鍋 我不會要你背不是你的鍋 我不會要你背 |
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我是要把這個責任給釐清清楚來不好意思今天有那個新北市的代表來嗎是不是可以請新北市的代表副市長新北市 劉河南 劉副市長秘書長秘書長好我想秘書長今天來立法院列席應該對於地方的財政 |
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非常的清楚啦一般補助款基本上在處理的是財政收支差額的部分嘛我說的沒有錯吧這次行政院違法科扣百分之二十五27點多我們總共刪除的平均是27點多新北市被刪了多少30.4億被刪除了30.4億對新北市造成什麼影響 |
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跟委員報告這一次的一般性補助款的30.4億的部分主要有三項一個是社會福利一個是教育補助的經費還有一個是基本設施其中在社會福利的部分三減的16.12億占全部占整個補助的35.86% |
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教育的補助的部分7.6億減幅是21.83%基本設施的補助的經費的部分3.6.72億佔24.86%跟委員這邊補充報告單單這裡面在社會福利的部分我們最主要的是包括身心障礙者的生活的補助中低收入老人津貼等等還有弱勢兒童等等相關的補助單單弱勢族群的部分影響的人數就將高達10萬人 |
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不包括還不包括基礎建設等等教育的這些相關的這些這些我們的那個市民的這些那個影響所以這一次的那個一般性補助館的刪減的部分確實對我們影響非常的大那市長非常的重視這個問題所以昨天呢要我跟邀集各局處開了這個會跟委員報告這是我開過最沉重的一次的會因為在這個會議當中同仁提出了一個問題他們告訴我說秘書長 |
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我們國家編列預算國家建設不就是為了保障人民的生活生命安全等等這些基本需求刪除了這些項目我們已經不知道面對市民該如何去做說明這件事情那他們也想知道當時在刪除的時候那是不是有個優先數據中央可不可以告訴我們這怎麼處理因為我們實在不知道如何去處理這件事情也希望中央能夠盡快把一般性補助款的部分撥補給地方政府 謝謝好 謝謝西北市的代表 |
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幾個基本的立場一定要講清楚啊現在我在PPT上面秀的是什麼113年中央政府總預算通案的決議跟114年中央政府總預算通案的決議你把前後兩個年度啊通案的決議拿出來比一比啊只要看得懂中文的人啊有基本識字能力的人啊就會知道在114年中央政府總預算裡面 |
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509.793 |
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我們有刪一塊錢的地方補助款嗎我跟大家報告一塊都沒有刪啦一塊都沒有刪啦113年的時候還刪了4%我為什麼114年在提這個案子的時候我地方補助款我一塊都不刪因為我知道地方需要嘛 |
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560.432 |
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目前中央地方的財政劃分收支制度套用我20年前在民進黨的台灣智庫所參加的會議就說要改啦只是民進黨拿到權力了以後不管是錢還是權全部一把抓結果什麼我們要求要刪的中央各機關及所屬 |
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結果把600多億刪到地方的補助款去違法妄為啊今天早上還有民進黨的立委在那邊說那誰叫你們要通刪啊你們通刪就是不曉得要刪什麼東西所以才用通刪拜託民進黨的立委睜大眼睛看啊你們113年中央政府所預算有沒有通刪是不是通刪113年的時候你地方補助款有被苛扣嗎 |
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591.936 |
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619.326 |
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來 請新北市那個113年的時候我們當時的一般性的補助款是101億那那個原則上在當時其實是沒有因為到今年是很特別產生這種錢所以嘛 你就看113年中央政府總預算最後一項是什麼如果經過總算沒有到達299億就要3到299億嘛完全按照以前的方式做我還特別把地方補助款 |
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646.492 |
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把它拿掉就清楚的告訴我們的行政院一塊都不准刪現在卓榮泰在裝著什麼裝文盲嗎看不識字嗎目無法紀啊提案單寫得這麼清楚了然後最後我只講一件事我們那個時候就擔心就擔心民進黨政府會動手腳財政收支劃分法30條我們還加了第三項 |
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647.793 |
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一般補助款不可以少於修正施行前預算邊列數去年夏天今年要給地方補助款不就合訂了嗎去年就合訂了今年修法生效以後膽子好大修法生效以後還找地方政府現在卓榮他要威脅立法院什麼給我追加預算現在他搞擄人兒署喔 |
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689.675 |
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把地方政府當落票我希望那個新北市的代表回去轉告侯友宜市長這件事情硬起來絕對要硬起來不可以讓卓榮泰這樣違法亂搞謝謝 |