| IVOD_ID |
162225 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162225 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第24次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
24 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第24次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-04T11:24:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-04T11:32:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/dfdeed74d30b98287cc87882a38e40a955f40b4dcc086d9fec695a437ff13aed0283c51cbb0d84855ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳琪銘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:24:08 - 11:32:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第24次全體委員會議（事由：一、建築法：
(一) 審查委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「建築法第九十一條條文修正草案」案。
(二) 審查委員顏寬恒等21人擬具「建築法第七十三條條文修正草案」案。
(三) 審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「建築法第九十九條之一條文修正草案」案。
(四) 審查委員黃建賓等16人擬具「建築法第五十六條、第五十八條及第八十七條條文修正草案」案。
(五) 審查委員徐巧芯等22人擬具「建築法第八十九條條文修正草案」案。
(六) 審查委員陳菁徽等20人擬具「建築法第九十七條條文修正草案」案。
(七) 審查委員顏寬恒等17人擬具「建築法第九十七條條文修正草案」案。
(八) 審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具「建築法第五十四條條文修正草案」案。
(九) 審查委員陳超明等18人擬具「建築法第七十七條之二及第九十五條之一條文修正草案」案。
(十) 審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「建築法第七十七條之二及第九十五條之一條文修正草案」案。
(十一) 審查委員邱鎮軍等19人擬具「建築法第七十七條條文修正草案」案。
(十二) 審查委員邱鎮軍等18人擬具「建築法第六十三條及第八十九條條文修正草案」案。
二、平均地權條例：
審查委員牛煦庭等18人擬具「平均地權條例第二十五條條文修正草案」案。
【全案合併詢答；建築法第(十)案如經院會復議則不予審查，建築法第(十一)及(十二)案如未經院會交付本會審查或未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查】【6月4日及5日兩天一次會】） |
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好 主席 議會同仁 請我們國土署署長讓部長休息一下吳市長有請委員好好 署長市長今天我們大家在討論建築法的修正草案其實我們現在大家關心的就是整個建築結構的安全性 |
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尤其我們台灣是在我們的地層帶上面所以我們光是本市在這邊的資料我們的全國有500戶的超過30年那超過30年在新北市遇到 |
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前幾天海沙屋的問題包含山蟲海沙屋天花板都掉下來還傷了小朋友所以說我們針對海沙屋來做討論海沙屋為什麼整個整棟的海沙屋要重建會那麼慢速度搭配合度也不是那麼高 |
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因為問題出在哪裡 就是我們要找出這個問題其實海沙湖的問題要怎麼解決 很多大地下已經都枯了但是你枯 你說 說大家要參加整個都建也好 整個重建也好其實他們都樂意 但是問題出在說 他們在這段期間要怎麼來解決他們大的問題 |
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所以他們大的問題,現在我們的中央政府在大力的推動我們的社宅我們社宅,是不是說在它那個附近,我們社宅第一件好了是不是說,他們在海沙屋要怎麼讓他們可以在他們的條件可以放寬畢竟他們去後,他們就搬回來了嘛所以這樣才可以去改觀說,他們要整個來參加整個都更也好 |
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整個推動的速度我認為這樣才可以先去改觀他們大問題對於它的容積要怎麼提升因為海沙屋在全國都有光是我們整個港三重那些媒體在報導 |
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包含在本市的轄區土層會被移動是海沙屋所以說海沙屋大家面臨著說要搬 要參與都更搭住的問題 |
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然後你農機要怎樣來提升讓他們不用再去負擔那麼龐大的金額這是這裡可以改觀啦不然你說政府要推動他說全國我們真的都更的速度還是非常的慢啦所以說你要先提供這個問題我們要怎麼改觀請新北市請全國各縣市大家來開會就是要共同討論讓大家請出問題 |
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可以謹慎說 他們住在那裡 他們的負擔的問題 他們住在的問題我們要去想辦法來替他們解套 這才有辦法來推動好像沒辦法替他們解套 當然啊 你說一棟裡面不是每一個人想法都一樣啊 起碼都有幾個他們不同意不同意的問題在哪裡 是不是這個部分是對的 |
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感謝委員 其實這個都更的過程中 所謂的中紀委會的概念在過去都有提出 但是跟社宅搭配是一個不錯的理念但是重點的處理說 它是最終的時間點很難搭配在一起 與我們社宅一組是組三檔 |
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所以你要當地說到你決定要當時要拿的時候,那當時的租金不一定有大可以出租的社債我們社債也不可能扛在那裡等你所以這是事務上一個比較大的問題所以說我們剛才是一個中那個規定,當時它可以搬出來,要搬出來 |
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這時間點跟社宅在出租的時間點,往往是對不起來的,我們不可能把社宅調過去空起來,放在那裡都沒有租,現在單一來租,我想這是無窮,這都不經過跟地方,這是無窮比較有一個困難,第二點就是說 |
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這個租金的成本就是我處理,我沒有大小財,我處理多好租租金的成本,我們在這個都更的成本裡面就已經有納入了本來就已經同意這次有納入,它是成本那所以在這個成本上,一般來講就可以省一萬元對於這個健康來講,這應該就要省一萬元所以這是,當然過去的情形就是說常常去說就是,我差不多安省這個工廠是適當 |
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結果我實際在操作的時候,有可能拖過,還要再延伸一些情緒,同時簽的是簽4年而已,4年過你要自己負擔,所以這是一個開始需要檢討的,第三就是海鯊魚的容積本來就不錯, |
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因為它本來我們的獎勵就是直接圓融1.3我就直接給你啦都不用再去整個做什麼所以就現實來講的話海鯊屋現在在過程中協調是中的過程中最困難的原因就是說很多海鯊屋它不是整棟都海鯊屋因為大家都知道你如果在我這家家裡海鯊屋我的天堂如果是海鯊屋的時候那個蠟就蠟到讓你用得沒那麼大 |
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但是不是整棟都這樣,最怕有的沒中,有的中,有的沒中,他們的心態是比較不一樣所以這也是我們過去是不太適合的,最困難的就是兩個住戶的心情感受不一樣所以對於都更的急迫性有時候是不太一樣的 |
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所以這地方政府在協調規定是比較辛苦但是通過這個簡化的過程針對海沙屋我們現在已經做得很放寬因為申請元榮1.3它是直接就通過了所以我們要讓委員了解這個規定因為我們收到的就是因為不是全面性的海沙屋就是一萬戶一萬戶我們做很多沒中的 |
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他們的意願都不高所以說整個都要推動都是有困難本身土生土生在我們海珊捷運站出來也有一棟海砂屋也是一樣一樣面臨這個問題但是這個問題你總是要想辦法來改觀所以說你說像現在我們的老舊房子全國五百戶 |
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你光是新北就佔了一百五十戶你說一百五十戶五百萬跟一百五十萬對一百五十萬戶你說這真的說因為過去公益性的這種的結構體絕對跟大樓絕對不一樣你如果說地震來這種的我們的公益性的這種的房子是非常非常所以說你剛才說速度要快你說用修繕的三年 |
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我們去年又編了五十億但是稍微對海沙屋比較沒辦法 |
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他們幫助不大啦 這是一整棵啊所以我們要怎麼推動這個速度會比較快未來階段我們可以檢討這個損失這是應該我們地方政府要來檢討的不然你說如果事情再發生的時候再來檢討這樣已經太慢了是 這我們會再來找地方政府電機開好的時候再來研究看他們針對這個海沙烏的這個看還有什麼新的建議可以來加速啦 |
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這方面我們繼續來探討因為你過去的地方你沒有去設定說海鯊魚還是說麵糧要多一點的要切粗的在這個條件我們是不是把它納入進去讓它未來多重選擇 |
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我瞭解 我可能就是未來看電影政府來建議啦 就是說有一些招租的條件裡面啦不過重點就是我們兩個的時間要對的對啦 時間如果對不對也是我懷疑他就有那個機會嘛瞭解 這我們來看電影政府再來討論一下好 謝謝好 謝謝 |