| IVOD_ID |
162215 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162215 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-04T11:09:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-04T11:19:51+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/dfdeed74d30b9828169dd78f803a24025e54a9d835821946ec695a437ff13aedb6269e3722f5e7cf5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:09:12 - 11:19:51 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、本院台灣民眾黨黨團，有鑑於行政院主計總處行文各縣市政府，將中央編列給地方政府的一般性補助款自114年度5至12月份分配及撥付數全數改為未分配數，已嚴重違反立法院通案刪減、促進政府資源有效配置之決議精神。中央政府預算編列浮濫，原編列三兆一千億元，立法院通案刪減後仍有二兆九千億餘元之數，為中華民國史上最高之中央政府總預算，本院本於職責審議預算，以督促中央政府增進財務效能、減少不當經濟支出甚至浪費之目的，中央政府不思檢討如何有效節用分配資源，卻意圖慷地方政府之慨，緊縮一般性補助款補助事項，將直轄市、準用直轄市規定之縣及縣（市）基本財政收支差短與定額設算之教育、社會福利及基本設施等改為未分配數，此舉不僅違反原預算刪減提案之意旨，更將嚴重影響地方財政及運作，對地方長期建設造成劇烈衝擊。爰建請院會作成決議：「行政院主計總處應依立法院審議中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案通案刪減之決議意旨，由中央各機關及所屬編列之預算刪減調整，並立即將一般性補助款足額撥付予地方政府。」請公決案。【本案如經院會復議，則不予審查】
二、邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲、內政部劉部長世芳及法務部就「近十年中央政府依財政收支劃分法、地方制度法等地方政府之補助情形及對均衡地方經濟發展之成效」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席有請台北市的林立華副市長以及我們的主計長台北市林副市長還有我們的主計長首先請教副市長現在砍了地方的補助款到底砍掉哪些東西 |
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好 要非常感謝昭偉這有機會讓我們能夠來到財政委員會來表達我們這次行政院突然刪減地方政府一般性補助款對我們的衝擊以及要表達反對之意在這邊要先報告一下我們所影響的部分 |
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這個是我有做一個表格這有關於我們所有被刪減部分社會福利支出被刪掉27.6%教育被刪掉38.9%基本設施被刪掉27.4%還有補助地方政府統籌運用財源刪掉59.5%那裡面社福大概是大家最關注的就我們都知道這裡面都是跟兒少跟老人跟弱勢 |
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相關的很多或是婦女相關的預算所以像大家看到的這個由地方政府配置優先辦理項目第一個其他兒少婦女老人及身障福利支出就跟委員報告像包括說我們的老人的收容安置長照的服務還有像我們社會局委託民間單位辦理老人服務的相關方案 |
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像說老人日照啦 老人的服務中心 以及呢還有我們老人健保的自負額的補助以及重陽記老金 還有我們像鼓勵大家生育的 |
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孕婦的好運to you乘車的補助那另外呢還有包括五歲以下兒童育兒津貼兒童托育補助等等還有像包括委託收容及維基家庭兒童的托育補助等等那另外呢 |
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還有就是有關於也要跟五人報告還有我們有些是屬於硬體的設施那這個硬體的設施事實上都是有關於我們的像包括兒少婦幼受抱者的收容安置長者的關懷據點日照中心等等那這就在我們其他社會局主管支出的部分也一樣都會受到相關的衝擊那另外要跟五人報告就是說 |
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在基本設施的部分大家都知道台北市這幾年致力於這也是中央要求就是要洗刷人行地域這樣的一個不好的一個名譽所以我們也花了大量的錢希望能夠做人行道的改善工程道路改善跟維護工程那在這次裡面的基本設施也看到了受到相關的衝擊你這裡提到有一個北市科 |
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所以會影響到北市科像北市科的部分 舉例來說我們現在大家知道我們目前大家知道像NVIDIA它可能都會進到北市科來 黃雲勳的部分所以我們相關的一些交通用地這些都是在我們這次基本設施內 |
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因為現在大家也很在擔憂未來會不會有內湖科學園區一樣的問題就是交通上的一個影響所以像這些都是我們現在在這次有關一般補助款裡面納入的一個內容但是另外我也想要跟委員報告一下因為我們大家覺得在地方上很不解的是說像這我手上的是 |
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我看到是總統令在今年的3月21號公布中華民國114年度中央政府總預算裡面我們看到第26款直轄市及縣市政府第一項直轄市及縣市一般性補助款2501億元照列 |
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也就是呢 今天從地方政府上看起來就是立法院是分文未刪啊 完全照列所以我們當然覺得說請問你那個 這一底的 我們的一般補助款在台北市議會通過沒有 |
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通過了一毛錢沒有刪去年8月31號沒有 是我們事是不是一毛錢沒有刪當然一毛都沒刪而且我們現在都已經拒以執行中好 來來來 請就署記者 |
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其實主席長你是好人啦不過好人有時候不一定做了對的事像你這個事到底雙重違法第一個我們經過立法院通過的預算它就是法律叫措施性法律然後你說你還釋憲 |
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那你請什麼用呢 如果你說實現了 所以我就不理他那這樣子你這個請的不能用 你現在請的在用嗎你請的在用 第一個你這個全數通過 而且地方議會每一個議會也都通過了你到底的是侵犯了立法權 |
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我們通過了,這是我們的職權我們通過了預算一般補助款一毛錢都沒有刪結果你大大一括要刪636億第二個,財務法30條第三項也是講到了不能比去年少你也是這樣刪所以到底的你是筷子手你違兩個法一個就是我們立法院通過的措施性法律一個就是財務法 |
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主席長你要不要解釋一下你這邊來我要講一下喔這個剛才副市長講的你刪了哪些他講的長照所以我們看到這個過去的謠言都說我們刪長照對不起我們問了衛福部的市長一毛錢都沒刪結果他們沒有刪你刪了 |
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395.783 |
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420.072 |
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你刪了 我也沒有刪了 是你刪地方的長照所以你刪了是什麼 老的 小的 身障的 社會福利還有交通設施 無障礙的設施 比如說啟明學校 啟中學校這些都是非常弱勢的 你專門殺弱勢的難怪啊 主席長 你有內法的 你要不要解釋一下 |
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421.099 |
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447.951 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
報告委員我們這個3的部分就是說雖然你這個一般性補助你沒有寫說要3但是你有在那個3減的裡面要我們自行3減636我通過了嗎對通過要3減636要我們自行3減636但是636我們3減的部分我們是表示是有困難因為我們前面已經3減了你不要混淆大家了我們原來就有統3 |
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449.512 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
473.945 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
我們就刪了300多億但是有一個636是沒有指定刪減的但是基本上就是原來統算的那幾項沒有那幾項中央的單位那幾項縱使再刪我們是沒辦法承受業務根本沒辦法進行所以這個部分再刪的部分只能刪到國防外交和教育那這三項我們都不能刪所以只能不得不要刪減一般性補助我們都鼓勵你了 |
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475.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
502.526 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
而且台北市我再跟您報告台北市它經過刪減以後它還比去年增加82億所以台北市本身的財源就是非常的好護士長講一下說你刪的比以前多護士長講一下是跟我們報告事實上大家都這麼認為但事實上以今年來講我們如果是用統籌分配稅款加上補助的部分台北市是六都裡面排名第五名 |
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503.789 |
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525.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
這個啦 大家都希望來我講一下給大家科普 也不是科普嘛中央給地方就三筆錢第一個 統總額稅款第二個 一般性補助款第三個 計畫型補助款一定要這三個加起來一起看六都裡面 台北市永遠都是第四名 第五名 |
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526.723 |
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554.624 |
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很簡單 因為它是台北市因為它是台北市這就是這樣啊 大小園啊 老公宅啊所以這個主地產不能夠只有挑一項來講啊台北市它是排第二 並不是排第五喔我們把三項合起來 它是排第二喔那是你講的 來來來 我們副市長你第二 你講第五呢是 報告一下 我們一百四年的部分是總共八百六十億元 六都排名第五第五啦 |
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555.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
562.409 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
所以今年是第五 去年是第四因為我們這邊數字是顯示第二喔不是第五喔解救辦法 |
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576.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
592.853 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
我們現在這個左院長實在很厲害啦要給他刪636你就等於哪個人來勒索反正地方政府的補助款大家一定心痛好 再追加預算啊這結果是什麼結果就是沒有刪到這636啊 636跑掉了Let's go |
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596.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
615.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
昨天636有夠厲害的 滿天過來的刪掉補掉 所以你63636啊因為縱使要辦追加也必須要符合追加的條件才有辦法追加你現在用這個來恐慌我們這是沒辦法做的一步主席長 這樣字字不厚道啦 把636吃掉了 |
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624.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
636.056 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
不落道 而且傷及地方的這些老的小的基礎的可憐啊這個 小心喔 換完先不來喔 |