| IVOD_ID |
162193 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162193 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-04T09:58:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-04T10:11:29+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:41 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/dfdeed74d30b98281f854f6ac3ca0bacb8fa27110b4cf3b31b0714f80b9af8b58a4d4e9809745efa5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:58:48 - 10:11:29 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請司法院副秘書長、法務部部長、法務部矯正署署長、衛生福利部、內政部警政署率所屬相關單位列席就「法官如何判死（死刑量刑準則）─包括被害影響陳述（訴訟參與人意見陳述）、教化可能性、復歸社會可能性、量刑前社會調查／鑑定，及現行司法實務如何將刑法第57條第7款至第10款、第59條納入量刑鑑定因子」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、併案審查
（一）委員賴士葆等20人擬具「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員王育敏等18人擬具「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
（四）委員陳亭妃等17人擬具「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
（五）委員張智倫等17人擬具「中華民國刑法第二百七十一條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
（六）國民黨黨團擬具「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
（七）委員邱鎮軍等19人擬具「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
（八）委員王育敏等23人擬具「中華民國刑法第二百七十一條條文修正草案」案。
（九）委員葉元之等18人擬具「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
（十）委員王鴻薇等21人擬具「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
（十一）委員柯志恩等16人擬具「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
【第二案（九）至（十一）如經院會復議，則不予審查】
【6月2日、4日及5日三天一次會】） |
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好主席我請我們司法院副秘書長法務部部長以及衛福部政策衛福部次長委員早安好早 |
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部長先請教剛才幾位委員都特別關心到就是有關於我們刑法的修正我剛才在提案說明裡面特別講到在去年陸陸續續開始由我們的委員開始修法那麼國民黨團的各位委員一共有15個修法提案但是民進黨團的提案數是零 |
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那麼在廣大的民意的壓力下尤其凱凱案激發眾怒終於法務部願意做回應剛才我也聽到第一個部長說要加快修法的腳步對不對是 |
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第二個,我剛才有沒有聽錯,也就是把凌虐誘而致死的這個罪行的刑度,有可能提高到死刑,或者是無期徒刑,我有沒有聽錯?那的確是有這個規劃,那個立法的一個方向。 |
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就是在刑法裡面針對七歲以下的幼兒 淋虐致死最高刑度會到死刑這部分是我們立法的一個方向 我們有提出來做一個討論那這樣子會定案嗎這邊我想我們盡速來推動 |
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那另外我請教一下因為我們的現在像我們為什麼非常非常想趕快加速來做修法因為這個凱凱案他的最新的判決已經出來了大家也看到全部沒有死刑嘛 |
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因為他最高度是無期對 最高度也是無期徒刑而且隨著這個審判的過程把兩個保母怎麼樣凌虐這麼小的孩子的這個過程也呈現在社會大眾的眼前大家覺得這麼殘忍這麼故意但是呢在我們的法律下仍然沒有辦法去判處死刑所以這個案子 |
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激起了重怒所以我們也希望在司法法治委員會我們加快修法的角度我剛才也特別說了因為也等啊因為在這個這個網路平台上公民提議也提議了非常久那我們 |
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左等右等法務部沒有提案出來所以呢由立法院我們立法委員衛銘喉舌所以呢來回應社會大眾的期待所以我現在想請教部長我們這個會期預計是在七月底結束請問一下在我們會期結束之前法務部有可能行政院有可能把這個案子送到立法院來嗎 |
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這部分我們會加速,然後我們也跟行政院來做一個報告,然後我們想要來加速來推動,我想可以盡快的來回應民眾的社會的一個期待,那我想可以落實保護我們這個兒少的這些權利。好,那我也跟部長說。 |
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因為真的沒有辦法再等了啦 真的沒有辦法再等了我們過去很多的女兒案件 很多的殘忍的女兒案件 一而再再而三的發生如果我們大人的世界沒有辦法保護我們的孩子 這是我們的失職這也是我們 真的變成我們很殘忍啦 |
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是不是 所以在這邊告訴部長希望你們能夠非常非常快速因為基本上我們修法的進度我們今天如果能夠順利的送出就是送出我們的委員會的話因為我知道民進黨仍然是不同意嘛本來的話如果說大家都同意其實很快的我們這個就修法讓我們的孩子就已經 |
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有這個至少呢在法律上能夠得到保護但是如果呢民進黨團仍然是不同意的話那又要使得這個法案要繼續的所謂的冷凍一個月嘛我真的覺得說如果今天我們因為的所謂的黨派之爭如果今天行政院已經都覺得這是一個修法的方向 |
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那到時候我們在主條審查的時候你們就可以提出你們的修正動議了嘛對不對你們就可以提出你們的修正動議讓我們的法律加速進行沒有道理說今天還要我們一直等待你們啊是不是啊左等右等你不來怎麼辦所以在這邊呢也要跟大家報告是 |
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部長你這邊最好就是你可能應該要有準備在我們逐條審查的時候那你們就提出你們的修正動議出來才能夠加速修法嘛部長同不同意這邊我們來努力好不好你們來努力一下因為我們真的不要一直等啦等來等去沒有意思好不好那也是我們的失職好另外喔那我也請那個我們的副秘書長 |
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在法律裡面把凌虐誘而致死列入死刑或者是無期徒刑但是很多的國人的疑問是法律裡面有死刑又怎樣好 我們最近剛才這麼多的委員都提到列進死刑又怎麼樣因為第一個 |
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大法官的解釋出來 第一個 法律有死刑 他不會判死即便有一個 就是比如一審的時候 判死接下來呢 到了高等法院 又駁回 又把他推翻 |
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然後就算我們到目前為止啦我們這限派八號出來之後沒有一個判死的嘛到目前為止沒有一個判死而且很多是而且這裡面有幾個像這個2022年6月那個新竹的輪胎行縱火案然後燒死八名自己的親人啊那大家都覺得罪無可換啊一審判處死刑 |
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結果大法官 宪判八號出來之後立刻 又改判無期徒刑這就是第一個原來判死刑 後來又改判無期徒刑的例子好 那你就算判了死刑之後然後再加上我們整個的從偵查到槍決有八道關卡 八道的金牌就是免死金牌給你 |
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到真的要執行死刑 要有很多的關關卡卡所以我們在這邊要請問一下 我們就請教司法院 |
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對於法官來說我相信有很多法官要判死刑啊輾轉反側嘛輾轉反側如果以像我剛才講的新竹輪胎案一審判定罪無可赦判決死刑我相信這一審的法官你以為他是想隨便判死刑啊以現在的這種社會氣氛這幾年社會氣氛要判死刑不容易啊是不是但是他判了死刑之後因為我們的 |
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大法官的解釋之後又不能夠去判處死刑又變成無期徒刑然後同樣的我們剛才也有特別提到馬來西亞的女大生也是一樣啊所以我們當然希望在修法裡面回應廣大民眾的期待但是如果這個實質廢死實質廢死沒有辦法解決的話 |
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修法不足以自刑修法不足以保護我們的國人修法不足以保護我們的幼童啊有沒有解決的辦法 |
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跟那個科委員報告齁在那個憲判八之後呢事實上那個法院就是在那個憲判八議職底下還是有宣告死刑的像那個高雄的那個殺鄰居夫妻這個熊芬的114上重訴1號他在那個今年的3月10號就是有宣告那個死刑 |
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那另外呢 就是在那個熊芬的114親生重更二第一號的這個案件他在一省還有那個二省是在今年的1月15號也就是在現判八之後還是有宣告死刑的 |
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那至於說就是剛才講就是這個案件就是馬來西亞女學生這個案件呢最高法院它撤銷它事實上會撤銷它一定是因為就是畢竟是一個死刑的判決它必須是完全沒有判決那個瑕疵所以是針對就是判決上的有一些瑕疵所以前面都有判決瑕疵前面都有判決瑕疵所以嘛我覺得對於我認為對於很多法官來講他們也很痛苦啊 |
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一審 二審 到最高法院 又突然哪一個法官覺得你有瑕疵 或者他就是不願意判死報告委員 就是這個不只是在宣判八之後 向來就是各審級 尤其是最高法院 他已經是要定驗的一個審級了所以說 面對就是宣判死刑 他當然是會比較嚴謹 |
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620.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
643.714 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
所以這個以前就是說在那個上訴之後呢就是這個撤銷這個在過去也是我必須在這邊說啊第一個大法官不具民意基礎的大法官在在80%的民意的對立念做出了這樣的一個憲判吧使得我們的很多的公平正義司法的公平正義無法伸張 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
648.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
657.769 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
這真的太扯 然後我們希望能夠透過公投結果周選會又沒收公投 沒收人民來做決定實在非常離譜啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
659.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
680.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
我們現在民意是大家不能講話嗎就如同我們現在在財委會也是一樣啊行政院要把這個地方補助款把它整個刪掉縣市政府都派員甚至台南市也都有派人來啊就你們民進黨團在那邊不讓人家講話不讓人家上去講話啊到這種程度啊為什麼現在民意要刪招民意要講話這麼困難呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
691.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
710.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
所以在這邊我當然知道中選會的判決不干你們的事情可是我必須要請我們在所有在司法每一個環節的人去想一想我們這些被害人被害人的家屬不要讓他們對於司法已經完全的喪失信心了 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
711.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
723.548 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
所以為什麼這些凱凱案的這些父母們除了他當然游說我相信他游說我們立法院所有的委員希望我們能夠修正刑法 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
724.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
743.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
但是除此之外 也能夠把這個一致決的實質廢死案也能夠得到解決啊好 這個也拜託我們所有在司法上每一個環節的人想著司法就是一個天平啊就是要保護國人的生命財產安全 |
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744.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
754.843 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
不要因為少數人的意志或者某個政黨的神主牌然後犧牲掉我們人民最基本的權益好 以上好 謝謝那我們下一位請莊瑞雄委員發言 |