| IVOD_ID |
162186 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162186 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-04T09:18:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-04T09:31:06+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/dfdeed74d30b982867a362b9857a8edcb8fa27110b4cf3b3f0976ba27860ef12a7050ee30736cb025ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:18:42 - 09:31:06 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請司法院副秘書長、法務部部長、法務部矯正署署長、衛生福利部、內政部警政署率所屬相關單位列席就「法官如何判死（死刑量刑準則）─包括被害影響陳述（訴訟參與人意見陳述）、教化可能性、復歸社會可能性、量刑前社會調查／鑑定，及現行司法實務如何將刑法第57條第7款至第10款、第59條納入量刑鑑定因子」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、併案審查
（一）委員賴士葆等20人擬具「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員王育敏等18人擬具「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
（四）委員陳亭妃等17人擬具「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
（五）委員張智倫等17人擬具「中華民國刑法第二百七十一條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
（六）國民黨黨團擬具「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
（七）委員邱鎮軍等19人擬具「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
（八）委員王育敏等23人擬具「中華民國刑法第二百七十一條條文修正草案」案。
（九）委員葉元之等18人擬具「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
（十）委員王鴻薇等21人擬具「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
（十一）委員柯志恩等16人擬具「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
【第二案（九）至（十一）如經院會復議，則不予審查】
【6月2日、4日及5日三天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 馬上有請法務部部長 司法院副秘書長好 馬上部長 副秘書長委員長安兩位好 今天 召會所排的這個主題我相信兩位都不陌生 針對 |
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沒有辦法有保護自我能力的小朋友遭到虐待並進一步發生死亡或者是重傷的結果社會上面以凱凱案發出了非常強烈的怒吼這不是今天才發生的事情過去這段時間我相信社會各界很多NGO團體甚至非常多的媽媽 |
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站出來齊聚在台北地方法院的門口為了要關心凱凱案 |
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大家都站出來發聲怒吼也有立法委員跑到台北地方法院加入這個抗議的行列表達人民的憤怒我覺得這都是公民表達意見健康的行為但重要的是當這些悲劇發生了以後我們的主管機關應對到底是什麼第一時間 |
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民眾超過13萬將近14萬的公民在政策平台提出這樣的建議法務部第一時間是不予採納應該沒錯吧這公共政策的平台有寫錯法務部的意見嗎部長 |
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呃的確是有勾到那個不予採納的現象但是我們的內文我們是有把各那個廣納社會意見今天還是不予採納嗎我們現在是採納我們有今天採納了沒有我們就是尊重我們各委員的一個提案所謂法務部沒有立場我們有自己的版本我們有在哪裡 |
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我們在那個昨天跟明天會做一個研修的一個會議昨天跟明天會做研修的會議對 昨天有提到刑法的修正小組的一個會議那今天有在一個延伸的一個什麼時候版本要提出來我們盡速提出來什麼叫盡速提出來 今天就要審啊要等你們嗎那另外因為我們那個修法的一個要等你們嗎 |
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需要等你們嗎 請針對問題回答 今天要不要等你們是不是可以 我們可以提出我們一個法案來當然可以 大家都在等啊 東西在哪裡那另外因為我們有在不好意思啊 請你針對問題回答好不好我問你東西在哪裡 然後你跟我講另外明天還要開會嘛 明天有那個所以今天要不要等你們今天要等你們嗎 |
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如果委員的話我們會提出我們一個版本因為我想這個經過今天會提出來是不是明天有一個研修會對嘛所以我在一直問你今天要不要等你們嘛我剛才一直在講說5號明天有研修會所以今天要不要等你們今天就要審啦然後你跟我說你明天要開會昨天就開跟明天有兩次的一個會議是嘛所以今天要不要等你們要審檢變選嘛是今天要不要等你們 |
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你還是沒有回答問題啊請問我的問題有很刁鑽嗎你說你昨天有開會明天要開會我們今天要審法案我說今天要不要等你們部長沒有立場喔委員如果要等我們那個法務部的一個研修的一個草案的意見那當然我們是很樂見這是拖多久啦這是拖多久啦從公共政策平台開始到現在多久啦 |
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明天要開會那今天要不要等你們今天我再問一個問題所有委員這麼多委員的提案有沒有哪一個版本是法務部贊成的因為我看你們的書面報告我看了半天啊每一個版本你們全部都有批評那我看完了以後就剩下一個問題每一個版本法務部全部都有意見全部都批評那大家再問那法務部的版本在哪裡 |
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今天委員提案的版本有沒有任何一個版本法務部是贊成的有還是沒有各委員的一個版本你們都尊重嘛我們會當作你們研議的嘛有沒有任何一個版本是你們贊成的有還是沒有有還是沒有我們會重整各委員的一個版本是是是啊東西在哪裡現在在還在研議嗎 |
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我聽你講這種話講很多次了啦大家聽不下去了啦你的立法方向就是要嚴懲重罰你的立法方向嚴懲重罰你的版本在哪裡我一直問你版本在哪裡所以繼續研議嘛公共政策平台到現在多久啦 |
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你今天在這邊還在打官腔我沒有打官腔齁這個委員我們也就在你身上你沒有打官腔把東西交出來嘛對那你把東西交出來嘛你講形容詞講空洞的 |
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每一個委員的版本你全部都罵叫你自己拿版本出來沒有關係啦 今天你在這邊講的大家聽得下去 聽不下去每一個公民自己有自己的判斷啦好 來 下一個請示法院 |
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請你先停一下好不好主席請他先停一下好不好現在是我的質詢時間欸我問的問題他不回答然後他在那邊故事的講你要開記者會請你等下後法務部你出去開記者會跟全民交代 |
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我問的問題你有沒有回答還是在浪費我的時間透過直播大家都有一把尺可以看啦我們時間先暫停所以大家先冷靜下來那我們現在再繼續開始沒有主席我只要求一個最基本的規則 |
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現在是尋答捏我問問題他不回答在那邊自顧自講他自己的部長麻煩一下因為是備詢麻煩就委員的問題去你找我部長要開記者會看你要講多久隨便你啦在那邊浪費我的質詢時間來請司法院我收到一個澄清喔是凱凱的網路爸媽澄清書阿他們有提出很具體修法的建議 |
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但是第二點 請你看一下他們現在訴求啊廢除死刑一字決現在該怎麼辦 從司法院的觀點台灣是一個憲政民主的國家嘛現在人民發出怒吼啦 |
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這些爸媽團體要求要廢除死刑一字決啊來 司法院可不可以告訴全體台灣的公民憲法法庭說死刑各審期一定要一字決那現在人民發出怒吼說要廢除該怎麼做告訴大家該怎麼做因為這些爸爸媽媽大家很痛心看不下去大法官的這個要求提出了這樣的訴求 |
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台灣的人民有權利知道面對這種自己擴權的大法官現在人民能夠怎麼辦還是沒有辦法大法官說了算你們都拿我沒皮條立法院乖乖聽話人民不滿你們也沒有任何的手段可以做來 請教司法院 |
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那個報告委員齁那個因為委員所垂詢的這個問題已經涉及到我國那個憲政各機關職權這個部分司法院呃 尊重 奇怪憲法法庭不就在司法院嗎 |
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如果司法院沒有辦法回答那是誰要回答 行政院回答嗎還是總統賴清德出來回答這跟考試院監察院絕對沒關係啦因為有關於大法官所做的這一個判決呢就是依照我國上來的那個釋字185還有那個645的那個解釋它是有一定的那個效力的所以就是說 |
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呃 委員所垂詢的就是說這個不是我垂詢的啊是這一群爸媽垂詢的啊他們沒有機會站在這邊請教司法院所以我們作為民意代表有機會站在這邊請教所以我幫他們請教現在該怎麼辦誰能夠怎麼辦誰拿這些大法官有皮條請教司法院我接到陳情我一定要幫他們問啦這不是一兩個人欸 |
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是一群憤怒的爸媽他們提出這樣的訴求要我們立法委員想辦法我也在想辦法該怎麼辦現在把法庭在司法院這沒有問題嘛所以我今天拜託司法院給這些陳情的爸媽示意該怎麼辦他們能夠做什麼還是回家抱著棉被哭就可以了來請司法院 |
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委員這剛剛已經回覆過了因為你沒有回覆啊我請教的是司法院說這些憤怒的人民該怎麼辦回家抱著棉被哭嗎司法院的立場就是尊重那個大法官所做的那個解釋啊對嘛但是人民憤怒嘛人民無法接受嘛也不想接受嘛大家都在問啊我國憲法什麼時候給大法官這麼高的權利啊手伸得這麼深啊 |
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我之前已經請教過司法院了全世界有哪一個國家要求死刑一字決要各省級全部都要一字決你講個立法例出來給大家聽嘛大家看不懂啊不要說他們看不懂連我都看不懂啊這個判決出來第一時間我就問這個問題啦現在是他們說怎麼樣就怎麼樣 |
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立法院拿他們沒皮條這些憤怒的爸媽也拿他們沒皮條他們現在是以為他們是台灣民主憲政的太上皇人家提這樣的陳情出來了現在我們這些掌握權力的人怎麼面對怎麼面對我該怎麼回答這些爸媽 |
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691.179 |
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對不起 你的陳情完全沒道理 大法官說了算我們立法委員沒有辦法 司法院也不知道該怎麼辦就是他們說了算我希望喔今天在這邊的質詢這一些爸媽所提出來的疑問所有參與這個憲判制8號的憲法法庭的大法官我希望他們都能看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
710.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
720.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
我也希望他們能夠發揮所謂憲法守護者的精神勇敢的站出來告訴這些爸媽你們能夠怎麼辦你們能夠拿我們怎麼辦今天的法律案我不知道趙薇等不等 |
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733.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
739.608 |
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但我代表台灣民眾黨黨團表達立場我們支持如果今天要出委員會就要出委員會好 謝謝 |