| IVOD_ID |
162119 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162119 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-02T11:21:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-02T11:30:05+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f1b1c5cbef0f6d9e76fc5eb7b5ada62f52232a9b15fab92ff2f9ac16a99deee0f856b9dc284de10f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:21:44 - 11:30:05 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請監察院秘書長、審計部審計長、司法院副秘書長、法務部部長、法務部調查局局長、法務部廉政署署長、銓敘部、公務人員保障暨培訓委員會、行政院人事行政總處、行政院主計總處、內政部警政署率所屬相關單位列席就「如何落實清廉政府及公務員瀆職之態樣與防制」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【6月2日、4日及5日三天一次會】） |
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主席 在場委員先進 列席的政府機關首長官員 會長 公眾夥伴媒體記者女士先生 謝謝昭偉的安排因為我今天的題目主要是修五權憲法費考監去問國共先 |
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藍白貪瀆圖利更勝於公器私用我不曉得這個樣的質詢呢其實在場的每一位呢都是可以來參與質詢的對象那尤其是要跟昭偉抱個歉我不會邀請官員上台我就直接對所有人講好謝謝昭偉但是不要昭偉聽了有點不開心就把時間卡斷就好了好那我們就直接看這一點排監委專報吳宗憲有讀過憲法嗎 |
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有個限制 我們來看一看 憲法徵信條文第二項第一款行政院有向立法院提出施政方針及施政報告之者立法院在開會時有向行政院院長及行政院各部會首長質詢之權今天我看了有來自有要邀請監察院還有包括審計部的嘛有邀請到權序部 這是考試院的這些單位是所謂的行政院院長及行政院各部會嗎 |
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好 我們來看一下 還是有一些條文可以問憲法第67條第二項各委員會得邀請政府人員及社會上有關係人員到會被尋那可能在場的這些不是行政院的官員們大概就是屬於政府人員 |
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但是憲法第七次要寫立法院開會時,關係院的院長及各部會首長得列席陳述意見他們有這樣的權利可以來列席陳述他們關係院,譬如像司法院、像監察院、像考試院的意見尤其是立法院在審議這些該院的法律案的時候,尤其是憲法訴訟法 |
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那時候不曉得吳釗偉在安排的時候有沒有邀請司法院來表示意見呢好 可是呢 釋字第461說三院所屬一 |
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非獨立行使職權的人在場有沒有獨立行使職權的人 沒有二 負行政職務者 對 在場是負行政職務者與其提出的三 法律案或有關預算案的事項亦有上開憲法規定之適用簡單講 司法法治委員會作為立法院的一個受院會委託的委員會邀請其他三個憲法機關的時候只有符合這三個條件的時候才能邀請他們來 |
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當然在場沒有考試委員沒有監察委員沒有大法官而且今天在場的人都負有行政職務但是請教召委現在我們有法律案跟預算案在審嗎沒有啊這三個月的人員不用來請看下一頁排幕僚人員專報國民黨不要雙標啊就在一個月前啊我們司法法治委員會才邀請本院的幕僚長周萬來秘書長來報告啊結果立法院說什麼 |
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幕僚人員不是立委行使立法權的監督課題啊看到沒有 幕僚人員周焕蘭秘書長 身為本院的秘書長 她是幕僚人員不需要列席結果呢 監察院組織法第九條秘書長是什麼秘書長也是幕僚人員啊嗨 趙偉幕僚人員不是不用列席嗎國民黨雙標喔周焕蘭秘書長可以不用來其他各院的秘書長就要來布蘭副秘書長也要來像現在司法院 |
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沒有秘書長啊 要叫人家副秘書長來他尤其他不是政務人員耶 往下看好啦 我們現在看到了 有一位這個民眾黨的黨主席啊發生了這個案子之後呢 說要求當事人自首進退當事人請辭之後 又說人家是斷尾朝生啊走的還是你 扶的還是你啊 死的還是你 跪的還是你啊怎麼走都是你有話要說啦 我們來看一下這位大主席 我們現在看 |
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他說怎麼樣 他說今天要廢除監察院啊 很好廢除監察院有沒有門檻 有 憲法政策條文第七條第一項 |
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監察院作為國家最高監察機關就像立法院為國家最高立法機關監察院行使彈劾糾舉及審計權憲法修正案第十二條 憲法修改要立法委員四分之一之提議國民黨有沒有四分之一 有四分之三之出席 每次開會我們民進黨一定出席經出席委員四分之三之決議可以提出憲法修正案在我們第十屆2020年的時候呢 |
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2022年就做過了 我們提出的憲法修正案還要經過公告半年後 由中華民國自由地區選舉人投票複決有效同意票過半數的選舉人不斷通過結果呢 我們在2022年要弄一個公民權的修憲公投結果來啦 國台辦呢 在2022年就發布了馬小光說 所謂的修憲公投根本就是為了修憲謀獨的鋪路跟造勢啊 |
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聽到他們的發言 國民兩黨 藍白兩黨 哇 發抖啊他們不同意 我們可以這樣做嗎 你可以這樣做嗎 我們好想看 |
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廢除監察院 國民黨支持嗎?吳昭瑋你支持嗎?你是國民黨黨員嗎?有沒有讀過國民黨的黨章啊?國民黨黨章是什麼?奉行三民主義五權憲法之宗旨幫你查出來了不曉得回去看一看結果呢 欸?國民黨的黨團總召傅坤吉說要廢監察院跟黃國昌的說法一樣黃總召的說法一樣結果國民黨黨中央說什麼?五權分立是國民黨的長期主張啊 |
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到底誰雙標 誰在精神分裂是傅坤祺代表國民黨 還是那個發言的黨主席代表國民黨到底國民黨跟黃國昌要不要主張五權分裂啊 往下看再說公器私用吧 哇 在場的公器私用我想 莫於國民黨跟民眾黨 我們來看一下傅坤祺 親信 站天下得標 2177萬 |
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民眾黨吳春成前委員 哇 2200萬 攤啊 誰比較攤傅坤崎占國有地 蓋停車場 占了800坪民眾黨黨主席黃國昌 占國有地 占了28坪大攤跟小攤林志廟設攤一審判決12年6個月高環判決7年4個月 好像國民黨比較攤喔接下來還有傅坤崎任內聯絡部啦 金鑽啦 米袋啦 都落款 |
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我民眾黨柯文哲市場內大量採購柯語錄公器私用莫此為勝啊再往下看 |
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講到公益適用這還是一個不特定的法律概念那我們來看一下瀆職罪是不是很明確刑法我不請教部長了貪污治罪條例瀆職跟貪污我們簡稱貪瀆法務部出版的圖利罪相關問題之研究圖利罪是屬於智慧狡詐刑之犯罪他會注意到過程合理安排因此事證的痕跡他會去消除避免被發掘 收證很困難證據都多殘缺 |
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所以為什麼我們有的立法委員很喜歡當檢調在立法院的質詢都喜歡個案問政然後就要指導檢調辦案可是對於貪瀆的辦案這麼興趣這麼高所謂的公器私用到底哪一個比較嚴重所以 |
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我們往下看今天的結論吳檢作就算沒有熟讀憲法吳昭偉要向莊昭偉學習啊莊昭偉好歹排的幕僚長排的秘書長是立法院的周冠萊秘書長到本委員會來就本院相關的事宜包括立法院簽證事宜來做報告我們的吳昭偉 |
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卻排了一個違反我們四字精神讓其他平行於立法院的其他縣政機關要求指派人員來到現場做跟法案預算無關的備詢請吳檢作回去憲法讀一讀請吳昭偉向莊昭偉好好的學習學習好 謝謝莊委員因為你剛剛有一直問我 |