| IVOD_ID |
162110 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162110 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-22-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-29T12:32:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-29T12:44:10+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/99583f279a18fcc12e3b463d57c7297b1219069fb8f2289fda0d00f0d43ae55594876b56de8f8c9f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
范雲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:32:17 - 12:44:10 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：處理114年度中央政府總預算有關國家科學及技術委員會主管預算解凍案22案。） |
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質詢好,有請,謝謝召委,有請主委有請主委,被質詢,謝謝 |
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主委午安我是想針對我有兩個預算案那當然就是說剛剛我們全力支持國科會的發展我們都解凍了那可是這兩個案子一個是關於無障礙的部分一個是跟學術資源整合入口網站的部分想要跟深入的跟主委討論我想我看到你們的報告裡面就有講到你們都一切尊重 落實 |
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CRPD就是台灣所簽署的身心障礙權利公約的合理調整的精神那我今年3月就是你們就在回應我3月的這個預算案那我之前也有質詢過那你們的報告有講到申請機構得依實際需要於計劃申請書提列無障礙措施經費需求獲得國科會補助的研討會得於合併總金額內調配使用然後 |
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那一切看起來很合理喔那但是我就發現說其實你們這個辦法是修正你們這個補助作業要點的第八點嘛那原本就有托兒服務這個是原本就有的對不對現在我們只是新增加也可以申請無障礙措施 |
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那我想請問主委那原本就有的托兒服務你們用這個方式來讓大家結果效果如何譬如一年會有幾場研討會有申請這個主委知道嗎抱歉我請李處長來回答這位是我們科國處處長好 處長好那請問你知道一年有幾場研討會有依照你們這個第八點的規定來申請托兒服務嗎 |
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全國應該說我們這個要點是2月20號修正之後呢我們到現在有26個案子進來所以我們在審查那我們也會這個托兒服務是這次才有的還是以前就有我記得以前就有耶 |
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托兒服務我現在講的不是無障礙那個幫忙補充一下就是說托兒服務他是在研討會申請補助的時候那個經費裡面可以用在托兒服務那我們目前應該沒有這個統計沒有這個統計就是說實際上有用托兒服務的統計但是我們有研討會的 |
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那這個就是報資可以啦但是你們現在並不知道全國的一年大概有幾場學術研討會是有申請到你們這個經費的全國 |
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這個我們經費合了以後,它有沒有使用這個我們...不是,我說全國你們會合發多少場學術研討會的經...我們不要講經費數,而幾場你們有沒有這個大概的數字?幾場?一年譬如說是兩百場還是一千場還是...沒有概念喔? |
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可能幾十場一年只有幾十場研討會是申請到國科會的經費補助因為我們補助的都是比較大型的大型的所以幾十場當中並沒有統計有多少場確實執行出有多兒服務 並不知道對不對處長都不知道 |
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柯國樹補助的是國際研討會對 國際研討會就是大型的國際研討會是 是這個大概一年大概幾十場幾十場所以這個第八點這個只有限國際研討會對不對然後幾十場不知道有沒有拖額 |
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那我為什麼要問這個問題就現在你不知道有沒有拖額未來你也不會知道有沒有無障礙最後這個政策就好像十年前我記得我進學術界已經不止十年了當時女學會就在推動那你們已經很有善的列了這個了可是因為你不關心它也不關心它好不好用最後就會變成大部分的研討會就是沒有所以無障礙也會變成是一樣的狀況 |
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然後說大家可以來申請可是這不是只有錢耶這個也很辛苦麻煩的事情你要托兒就要去找保母或是托育員對不對要有場地要安全無障礙措施也不是有錢就能解決的因為對辦研討會來講是增加不少負擔耶 |
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所以主委我想問一下說如果你們真的要符合CRPD你要有個推動計劃嘛不是改一下這個規定然後也沒有關心過去這個已經有的托兒服務到底有沒有人申請他們遇到什麼困難我這樣講沒錯吧沒錯沒錯謝謝委員提醒好我請柯國柱 |
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所以要有個句話你的理想是假如一年有30場國際研討會幾年之內這30場只要有一個與會者是深藏者他的需求都能被滿足你的主委您覺得以我們台灣的學術實力跟我們的經濟實力大概幾年內應該要做到大型國際研討會都要有您的理想是幾年我們有理想之後再來落實嘛 |
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我的理想當然越快越好 因為這個是但是我知道無法一蹴可擊對不對有時候還牽扯到我們場地的選擇當然當然當然所以你就要提供足夠的支持嘛 對不對那至少我們先限定就是說有這樣的與會者他就要有公平參與的權利我們先讓他能夠顯現出效果對 那主委我們假設主委您當主委已經多久了 |
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一年嘛我們假設啦當然我們希望說您做得很好繼續連任假設就是說三年的話三年內看看有沒有機會你說全部嗎一年二年三年對啊全部我是擔心那個場地全部擔心場地會有問題因為我們國際研討會有時候會辦在全國各地就辦在一個沒辦法做到無障礙的場地 |
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那三年內你不要百分之百好了百分之七十五這樣可以嗎百分之五十三年百分之五十我真的覺得很辛苦啦我每次都要說陳俊翰律師他如果要參加研討會可能有一半的他沒有辦法參加到那希望那些沒有跟他法律他興趣身上權益有關的 |
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百分之五十真的是低標但是我想主委就是講到就會做到那你要把那個就是說方法講出來你的誘因是什麼對不對我們當然一開始不是讓大家主動來做那你要給他足夠的誘因他才會做嘛他辦個國際研討會已經很辛苦了對不對好我們努力好那就三年做到一半的國際研討會能夠符合CRPD好那還有一點時間就是下一題 |
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下一題我知道這個也是高難度啦我真的是接到我們學術界就是的學者他覺得我們的學術資源整合的部分就是沒有辦法做到日本的水平那他有給我看日本做的真的非常的友善那他覺得我們全國各單位教育部也做國科會也做就是說 |
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國家圖書館也做大家各自做然後平台之間沒有整合然後花了很多的錢可是沒有一個最好的全國性的學術資源整合入口網站那你們給我回的東西我看了很久覺得這個就是說非常的複雜 |
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日本會在釋法的情形下會尋求與國內既有整合入口網站串聯開放請問主委這個釋法是釋哪個法可不可以告訴我我找不到哪一個法跟這個圖書館入口網站整合有關跟委員報告就是有那個圖書館法那國家圖書館依照圖書館法所以他們就是會建置已經有建置的這樣的一個網站那他們如果不夠好呢 |
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所以是圖書館法意思就是說圖書館是歸教育部管是教育部要給錢然後不是你們的事嗎是這樣嗎我們沒有說不是我們的事因為是說我們有跟國家圖書館這邊我們去研究了這個相關的法令的規定然後也目前的一些網站的一個建制的情形然後我們有跟國圖這邊來做一個溝通 |
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已經跟他們溝通過了嗎坐下來討論怎麼整合因為很多的論文國圖不可能收國外的期刊論文嘛對不對可是我們每個學者像我過去申請的時候我只要在國外出版的我都會把那個檔案給你們因為你們要審查嘛所以其實你們擁有最多的只要是台灣學者得到國科會的資源的都會列出來給你檔案那他是不是這樣的東西是不是只有國科會這裡會有 |
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所以這個部分我們可能我們還會持續在跟國圖這邊來做溝通然後另外是我們在建制那個TOAJ就是有關開放取用的這個部分那我們也是希望可以跟國圖這邊來做一個介接跟結合這樣那這個部分是不是我們也在持續在跟國圖這邊做溝通跟尋求那個協助然後是不是有可能這個會後我們再跟委員這邊辦公室聯繫再跟你做這樣充分的說明 |
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好那請問你知道我講的那個日本的那個學術入口的網站的名稱嗎是就是那個Sini對Sini不知道主委知不知道這個平台日本的那主委有空可以看一下我是希望主委能夠做這個對全國民眾現在高中生都在寫就是報告了如果不要他用chatGPT的話 |
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我們主委很擔心那就要讓他知道找資料是很容易的對不對不是東找一個西找一個然後各資料都不完整我覺得日本那個應該是我們的標杆主委可以全力協助嗎我們再參考看看如果教育部這邊需要我們來協調的話我們非常的樂意好不好 |
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668.291 |
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希望國科會擁有這麼多的學術期刊的資源主要是因為全國的學者有在做研究都會跟你們申請經費所以你們會連我們收不到的英文期刊的網站你都至少會有我們國內學者的文章在你們的檔案中那這些應該可以開放你也可以透過一個方式來設計因為都是國科會的資源在支持的這樣沒問題吧 |
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669.392 |
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670.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
多久內可以給我一個初步的報告好嗎 |
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682.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
709.506 |
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那個委員是不是我們先到委員辦公室這邊來做一個比較就是具體的那個說明那我們再來其實你們的那個寫中報告已經寫得很仔細了我們現在就希望你們更積極的行動讓主委知道給你足夠的支持然後你們去跟國圖協調好不好還有中央研究院我都有跟他們講過了他們都會往這個方向努力是不是再給我們三個月的時間三個月好那就三個月好謝謝主委加油謝謝 |
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711.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
712.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
謝謝范雲委員質詢 |