| IVOD_ID |
162108 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162108 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-29T11:05:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-29T11:13:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:26 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/99583f279a18fcc1782a9de13883c2e7fa28f537c7c67977da0d00f0d43ae5550241d18e79cd8f1c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱若華 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:05:37 - 11:13:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：處理114年度中央政府總預算關於國家運輸安全調查委員會預算凍結案計6案。
【5月28日及29日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 主席有請院會領信的林主委好 林主委委員早主委早 主委先請問您是否還記得四年前發生在四年前震驚全國的408太魯閣出軌事件408太魯閣您記得嗎 |
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那這場事故他造成49人罹難是台鐵近年最嚴重的意外嗎所以那根據當時的調查泰魯閣出軌的原因是為什麼就是連軌工程的問題嘛 |
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鐵軌工程的問題那他是有違規的情形嗎他是違規施工沒錯吧那就是因為違規施工他導致工程車滑落自軌道造成列車出軌那主委當時應安會有對台鐵提出什麼樣的建議改善建議我們有提出請台鐵台鐵後來有頒布一個叫做 |
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鄰軌工程安全防護措施的要點那也把它納入鄰軌工程的採購企業的範本裡面它有在做那除了還有其他的嗎還有其他的機制跟程序嗎其他有啦其他像這個應該將這個施工廠商把它列為內部的安全管理的重要的一環都把它納入不能把它好像它是話外之名不可以都拉進來那台鐵有在做 |
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那最近我是還有一些案子又跑出來有一些案子跑出來那本席 本席這老師當初院會有建議要加強靈鬼的施工管理還有通報機制吧然後還有監督的程序那我們看到這張投影片就是 |
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社團上面的一個貼文他說在七堵在內有外包廠商他沒有申請他擅自進入到營運的路線旁邊進行施工那他也沒有依照程序來報備七堵幾乎斷那這樣的施工行為是不是跟當年太魯閣事件中的靈鬼施工管理失當有相似之處 |
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有相似之處有相似之處那我相信當時運安會也有提出就是在事件蔡五格事件之後也有建議那有沒有對台鐵也就是提出相關的建議就是改善建議我們定期在行政會會對台鐵的安全改善有一個有一個提報會議那運安會也會派人參加這個案子我們會提報 |
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那我們看到這個今天這個他這個行為是不是有違反林軌施工的管理確實是違反規定然後台鐵我們跟台鐵的聯絡結果表示他們依規定要拆劃是那主委那本期待遇的是如果台鐵沒有主動通報的話那他這個慾安會你們也沒辦法及時掌握這樣的情況那表示那現在的他的監督機制是有漏洞的那想請教主委那慾安會他有沒有通報的平台 |
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通報平台是有啦但是我覺得我們會再跟台鐵講說你這個既然說你改善已經完成為什麼又發現那請他加強落實啦那我們在行政院的會議裡面改革會我們也會再提報那今天是就是 |
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今天是因為沒有發生事故那如果那針對像這樣沒有通報的施工如果通常運安會會調查是因為有事故的發生嗎那這樣子的話那我相信台鐵因為我們也看到這張虛情事件的通報單那他不一定會呈報到運安會那運安會得知這樣的情形你們要怎麼來做處置沒有通報這個沒有通報 |
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來 你要說明一下好 請說明 謝謝報告委員喔 因為這個案子呢就是因為台鐵的原來在太魯閣的這個事故裡面我們提出了這個改善建議那所以台鐵訂定了這個規定那它有一個一定的一個發現的機制所以在這個案件裡面台鐵的人員是立刻發現施工廠商違規進入這個施工場地的這個部分那所以他立刻發現就立刻 |
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去做處理了那當時應安會有沒有建議台鐵說針對這樣的廠商台鐵應該要來做什麼樣的處置 |
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臺鐵提出一個分項執行計畫 |
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的一個安全防護的實施要點措施要點就是他的一個實施的一個方式他的分享執行計畫那我們現在是希望說在這一次透過這一次的一個事件裡面呢我們也希望說台鐵能夠加強去落實這方面的建議就是因為會要督促台鐵就是全面的來盤點就是每個車站他們外包廠商施工的情況啦那包括也要強化他們進出設施的審核還有監工 |
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沒有錯啦我們會跟台鐵有一個連續機制我們會跟他講我們一定會提一定會提在行政院會在強力的督促台鐵我們會強力強力要求OK好那主委我們接下來看到非安我們可以看到日前國際有發生多起的非安事故那造成很多傷亡主委請問像國外發生這樣的非安事故是不是可以提供我們更多非安的啟發讓我國的非安更加的安全更加的完善呢呃 |
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我想這些資料我們航空調查組對國外的一些案例事實上我們都有蒐集那麼蒐集的一些原因比如說NTSB像韓國像日本其他國家的我們都有檔案Database都有在建立 |
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建立之後我們在每一個定期的資源包括系統裡面也會把這些比較典型的這種事故我們會發佈定期發刊入裡面給各個航空公司參考 |
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在今天的解论报告中有看到精进运输事故的调查能量计划嘛那国际民航组织他联合国专责管理还有发展世界各国民航事务的总部他设在加拿大的蒙特罗那每三年举办一次大会那五国音乐两岸的因素还有政治因素嘛导致没有办法参加ICAO那请问主委预安会跟ICAO的互动情况目前是 |
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我們運安會有參加三個國際組織一個是ITSA就是所謂運輸安全所長年度的聯會每一年開一次我們也參加SRC就是亞洲調查員的飛航安全協會還有一個是叫做IASS是國際飛航安全的年度會議我們在這三個平台裡面都會拿到最新資料都會拿到最新資料 |
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是 因為我們沒有辦法加入ICL的關係嘛那我們在缺乏這個正式管道下一頁希望主委可以強化就是我國在國際間它非政府的非安機構的技術交流讓我國的非安更加安全是是 我們都是這個方向是都一樣的再請主委繼續努力好 謝謝主席 |