| IVOD_ID |
162104 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162104 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-29T10:56:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-29T11:05:24+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:22 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/99583f279a18fcc160a4645ceabc4b5efa28f537c7c67977531422321b8e3e877446958c994ab1495ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:56:02 - 11:05:24 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：處理114年度中央政府總預算關於國家運輸安全調查委員會預算凍結案計6案。
【5月28日及29日二天一次會】） |
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來麻煩請問預案會主委謝謝預案會林處委委員早主委早我們有看到說針對那個之前三峽的重大交通事故嘛預案會已經準備要立案調查對不對我們期待說預案會可以針對這個公務事件可以真正找出原因並且提出改善的方法 |
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那我想要請教一下因為這段時間發生非常多的重大交通事故除了剛剛那個三峽之外我們有看到重慶南路也有一個車禍也是有一台車爆衝後來衝撞了四台車有八個人受傷那請問預案會會針對這一起事件立案調查嗎 |
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這個案子沒有沒有為什麼沒有立案為什麼不立案他不在我們重大運輸事故的範圍裡面是因為那兩個差別是因為是有死傷的人數的差別嗎對他這個是個別的 |
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特別的案件什麼叫個別的案件那三峽這個案子是因為因為全國矚目社會關注這個是特別為了用報案條款特別立案的所以如果社會矚目重大事件是就會關注那這個重慶南路這個車禍我覺得社會也蠻矚目的因為網路那個影片到處傳是非常驚悚的所以有立案跟沒立案的差別在哪裡 |
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有一樣個便利案就是他他是不是剛報告他是不是重大運輸事故範圍裡面那這個案子跟三峽那個案子的差別在哪?因為我剛報告他社會矚目嘛社會矚目 |
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我想那個案子社會矚目是因為很不幸有一些小朋友還有一個女騎士她過世嘛應該是這樣所以大家會矚目但是這個重慶南路這個車禍其實你如果有看那個影片他也是非常驚悚他一台車衝過去剛好有幾位行人在過馬路然後是因為那個行人看到車子有閃了有閃開了所以沒有造成有人命的傷亡 |
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那如果說不是說那些行人他散開的話其實後果也不堪設想 |
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所以我覺得如果我現在就不太懂那個越安會立案的標準到底在哪裡如果以重大矚目的話其實這個事情你可以去看網路討論度也是非常高我覺得那個也是重大矚目的因為越安會的標準應該在定的更嚴謹一點那當然你們是有一個標準我們來看一下這是越安會重大運輸事故範圍的一個討論 |
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裡面就有提到譬如說有造成死亡三人以上或者是有生命身體財產重大影響重複發生情況特殊或新興運據事故之前就有一個案子在湖北嘛 它是一台車然後車禍就調查 原因是因為它是新興運據 |
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我問你們想要去了解是不是因為又啟用了無人駕駛或什麼因素才造成事故應該是這樣嘛但像剛剛我舉的重慶南路那個事故那個事件啊其實也是一個蠻特殊的狀況 |
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所以我覺得預案會也可以去研究一下然後第二個我們是希望說預案會立案調查了解原因提出具體改善之道並且得到問題的解決我覺得這個才是最關鍵的問題可是我們去看了預案會的很多調查報告很多不了了之我這邊就舉一個舉一個案例比如說之前有一個債的嫖白水的 |
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一個罐潮車他在台二線往東貢遼路那因為他超車超車可能有超速然後後來失控就翻覆這個事件主委已經知道嘛因為這個有立案調查你知道嘛那你可以看一下這邊寫的 |
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你們的建議你們的最後異動時間我們紅色圈起來是113年11月21號那個是去年11月21號等於是這個案子已經調查完畢了因為他是112年10月發生的所以一年後你們調查完畢了113年11月調查完畢那現在的狀態 |
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有一個很具體的改善內容喔所要制定在不同的設計速率下之最短可超車行駛距離作為連續禁止超車路段之最短間隔長度之依據好等等等等等等然後11月21號到今天已經過半年了建議狀態叫做等候回覆或處理中換言之你調查了也發文給交通部了 |
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但是呢這半年全部都在等交通部的回覆那問題解決了嗎沒有解決因為他還沒回覆所以沒有解決那等到他回覆如果你們預案會不滿意來來回回來來回回都不知道要讓我搞好幾年了 |
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所以既然已經我剛剛我們這樣質詢下來第一個其實運安會要立案調查是一件很困難的事情啊連重慶南路那樣的一個社會矚目關注事件都沒有立案調查結果立案調查的案件經過了一年多的調查 |
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找到了問題 提出了建議發文給交通部 又等了半年沒有回覆不知道什麼時候可以改善啊這個速度我相信國人不會接受因為任何的重大交通事故它都有可能會重複發生在其他的路段造成其他的重大事故我說的大家要超前部署防範於未然可是這樣的進程我覺得大家不能接受所以 院會你們可以提出什麼改善的方式嗎 |
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他這個發布之後被就是受建議當然他有90天的回復期90天那你現在已經半年沒回了欸半年如果輸絕沒錯的話應該是180天嘛90天回復期嘛那回復期使完之後我們要看看他的改善建議是不是可行然後我們就會報行政院所以我聽不懂你現在你請他了嘛對不對你是11月21號 |
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上傳了這個報告嘛那理論上你應該是11月21號你就發文給他請他回覆嘛是不是然後他的90天回覆期那他應該在2月21號就要回了啊 |
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剛剛執行長告訴我這個案子他90天恢復檢查之後被退回因為不可行不可行再退回所以針對交通重大事故運安會跟交通部你們的互動方式是文來文往就對了不是不是不是就是他發文給你你又退給他他再發文給你你又退給他這種情況並不多大家就是只上作業那這個運安調查都沒有積極性你的機制就是文來文往喔我請組長說明一下他比較熟 |
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那這個本案的話那主要有三個感言建議那目前主要是在等待交通部的這一項那交通部這一項應該是在我們90天的回覆期他應該2月19號到期那交通部他他沒有到期所以我們有立即就發出急催函那交通部是3月24號回覆那我們在觀光過程中覺得他的這個內容不可行所以就請他再重提那目前我們有 |
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持續的一個激催 我們大概激催了三次那我們目前去預划針對本案那我們會在未來的兩個禮拜找交通部針對這一個感恩建議為何交通部一直沒辦法提出具體的可行的計畫來跟我們做研討所以嘛 我現在只是舉一個個案而已嘛現在你們跟交通部的關係就是你找到的問題你請他改善 他不理你嘛 你還要激催那你不就突顯交通部沒有再把交通安全當一回事嗎 |
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如果一個重大交通事件社會矚目的預案會都發現問題了交通部愛理不理然後你現在才講說因為機出來都不理你你們政府有在關心交通安全嗎你們都沒有一些什麼強制的機制譬如說交通部陪你還有上級機關有一個行政院現在大家那麼重視道安有沒有一個行政院的一個層級的可以要求交通部趕快處理真的聽了都覺得很離譜 |
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那現在因為這個萬巢車翻覆那當時也是社會矚目啊經過一兩年大家沒關注了那就文來文往啦那現在三峽這個重大事件大家關注了啊你們說要立案調查會不會一年後一樣找到問題傳給交通部交通部三個月回你你絕對不管又退給他然後結果他又再不回你你又雞吹然後又沒完沒了這樣就會把行人安全當開玩笑嘛 |
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你們都沒有那個機制嗎 可以交通部趕快改善嗎跟委員報告 其實我們提供的給交通部的改善建議其實蠻多那其實基本上不是都不理我們只是說這一個項目有的理 有的不理就對了這一個項目他在處理上面他這個是一個結構性的問題啦今天不跟個案講太多 這是一個結構性的問題如果運安會的結論交通部都可以愛理不理的還要激催 激催都沒用 |
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那只是凸顯說你們交通單位沒有很重視這個事情希望說主委你可以好好跟交通部溝通如果你溝通不了的話你應該跟上面你們的在上一層的機關講嘛要解決這個協調的問題啦好不好沒有這個是個案啦好啦謝謝謝謝啦 謝謝委員會 謝謝 |