| IVOD_ID |
162098 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162098 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第23次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
23 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第23次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-29T10:48:40+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-29T10:55:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/99583f279a18fcc192514fe0de84bdc77d62036aaba8f190531422321b8e3e87eabdaf21c288ba395ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張宏陸 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:48:40 - 10:55:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第23次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查委員邱志偉等16人擬具「臺灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例第九條及第九十一條條文修正草案」案。二、審查委員王定宇等16人擬具「臺灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例第九條之三條文修正草案」案。三、審查委員王美惠等17人擬具「臺灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例第九條之三、第九條之四及第九十一條條文修正草案」案。四、審查委員林楚茵等20人擬具「臺灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例第九十條條文修正草案」案。五、審查委員沈伯洋等20人擬具「香港澳門關係條例第十條條文修正草案」案。六、審查委員張宏陸等20人擬具「香港澳門關係條例第十四條、第十四條之一及第四十七條之一條文修正草案」案。【第三案如經院會復議則不予審查。】） |
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我請主委主委其實今天這個法案提案的內容其實我覺得我們大家是要守護中華民國在台灣的主權 |
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還有我們民主的生活方式對不對對其實最主要就是這樣嘛對我們在台灣如果沒有民主的自由我們今天也不能在這邊質詢你吧今天這些法案都在民主防衛不管是什麼防衛啦就台灣如果沒有民主我們今天這麼多立法委員不管是哪一黨哪一派的都可以這麼嚴厲的質詢你 |
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那你也要很誠實的回答這是不是民主的真諦對啊 所以我們守護的是這個啊那另外我們再怎麼樣我們是要守護台灣的中華民國現在就是台灣台澎金嘛我們的主權嘛 對不對這是我們最主要的嘛我們前提是這樣 對不對啊 主委是 我們當然是守護我們國家主權守護我們自由民主的生活方式 |
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這是我們要去做的啦我先請教你幾個問題剛剛很多人問你說小公司是不是自我矮化我想請問一下主委一間公司小它的價值就少嗎我想應該是未必什麼未必很多公司它人不多 |
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但是它的價值是超過那種好幾萬人的公司的是不是這全世界有很多這一種對不對我的規模小但我的價值高我在全球的 |
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經貿的影響力跟那個關鍵的地位是非常重要的那很像不像台灣我們台灣在全球半導體業大全球科技業裡面我們台灣雖然小但我們人才多但我們有關鍵的技術我們這間公司人雖然不多 |
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但我們的價值是比好幾萬工廠的價值高出上千倍吧是 是不是是不是這樣是好 那事的情況就大膽講嘛這個哪有什麼矮化我們是小而美小而精我們是有實力的我是覺得用大公司小公司如果你像委員這樣談就很好 |
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就怕過度曲解畢竟我們不是啦我跟你講主委有的人就是要故意曲解啊有的人現在我們聽了我們生氣是有的人講話就是從中國共產黨的角度在台灣講話啊很多人是這樣啊 |
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這是我們擔心的我們今天才會要有這些法案啊是不然幹嘛有需要這些法案是對不對我們擔心的是很多人在台灣那以他的角度在台灣利用台灣的言論自由然後呢抹黑造謠很多事情啊是我們擔心的是這樣啊是是不是啊是對啊所以其實你就要大聲講出來啊我覺得這個沒有什麼啊這個我跟你講 |
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以前小學念書的時候沒有國哪有家啦現在中華民國如果被消滅了以後還有立法院嗎以後還有台灣要什麼嗎連房子連土地都國有化了連拜拜都不自由了這是我們要守護的一個精神啊對不對所以我覺得 |
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交流 大家都可以交流但我們今天的這個介紹有一些是對因為你擔任特殊的位置的人我可以給你一些管理 |
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對不對我們只是局限這裡而已嘛我們也沒有全面阿好像講的是全面阿不對吧有嗎 有沒有全面對於剛剛委員說那些指標性的人員因為過去掌握我們非常重要的國家資訊以及他的位置很特殊我們要給他的言行有一些賦予相當的一個相對的責任這是合理的不是 我們今天的修法我們是不是就局限在這一塊 |
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有到全面管制人民嗎有一些是這樣來設計一些重要的人我要管理但我們現在我們是要給一般人民知道哪一條紅線你不能踩大我們現在社會越來越有共識比如消滅中華民國主權並吞台灣或是鼓吹武統 |
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鼓吹用戰爭的方式來侵略台灣那像這些慢慢社會有一個共識而且你講這個是在呼應對岸的一個說法那這些要件我們想說進一步的形成共識那如果大院如果通過這些立法那我們社會就應該來遵循對啦所以總括的 |
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來說對一些重要的人特殊人我們是採取比較高的管理但是對一般人民我們就跟你講哪些紅線你不要踩細節就不用再說了最主要的原則是在這裡吧所以我覺得啦台灣是一個言論自由的國家但言論自由還是有必須有限制的啦你辱罵別人都要被告了 |
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何況你要替我們的敵對勢力在宣傳我覺得是不合理而且我一直認為啦對岸一直在講要武統而且他也軍機什麼的實際都在演練都在做這個在我們來講這就是敵對勢力啊這不是敵國辦這是什麼我跟你講 |
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這個也要讓全台灣人知道我們要堅守我們的主權跟我們的民主自由的方式我們就必須要有一些做法不然台灣早就被賣掉了以前的國民黨就是這樣子輸給共產黨了我們今天不能再重蹈覆轍委員所講的我們都會積極的去做兩岸關係的嗜毒教育這個我們會來全力努力好 謝謝 |