| IVOD_ID |
162085 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162085 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-29T10:19:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-29T10:27:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/99583f279a18fcc1334d10e991e70ed9fa28f537c7c679770b07ac742f6d2320bb574d15a1fc2d705ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡其昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:19:09 - 10:27:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：處理114年度中央政府總預算關於國家運輸安全調查委員會預算凍結案計6案。
【5月28日及29日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 請林主任委員好 應安委林主委主委早主委早主委我想從那個三峽的車禍發生到今天在立法院我想很多委員不分朝野都很關心那社會大眾國人對這個案子到底是什麼樣的原因也都充滿著關心猜測那 |
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主委現在的調查大概狀況進行到哪裡現在大概一個月內會有粗報出來那麼10月份會有一個事實資料報告出來那依據明年的1月草案就要出來然後明年5月會在委員會通過審查通過 |
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我們動員的四個分組的人力大概有數個人力我希望希望能夠縮短這是我的期望好這個就是大家都期待嘛我看徐副委員也是一樣大家都期待你能夠縮短那其實他最關鍵的大家為什麼會著急 |
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是因為它會事故發生的原因 它會涉及未來在交通部也好 或者其他相關部會也好在許多政策的擬定上面會以事故最終的原因來做報告 來做調查一個車禍的發生 它有可能是機械問題它有可能是人為問題那人為問題裡面 |
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因為大家知道他是一個有年紀的先生那年紀是不是影響駕駛的安全的關鍵或者跟年紀無關年輕人也可能會發生這樣的一個駕駛上的疏忽 |
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所以換言之從環境因素機械因素到人為因素人為因素又分是不是年紀或者是不是其他的這個原因它都可能是這一個車禍這個嚴重車禍很重要大家必須要去釐清那也只有釐清的問題我們在法規跟政策上也才可以隨之而走所以雲南會走在最前端的角色也就是為什麼 |
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國人同胞跟立法院的委員都要求運安會速度要快調查要明確 原理在這裡是是那我知道嘛 這個從每一次都老問題啦譬如說包括運安會人事啦 人力不足啦運安會為求慎重啦所以其實就哪怕是一個車禍這個比起空中的 海上的都相對來得容易一點 但 |
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調查起來還是剛剛主委講完最終確定還是要等到明年了啦所以換言之都超過半年以上那特別是國人對於這個問題包括交通部都引來社會的討論就是到底年紀是不是關鍵 |
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很多不是前輩啦 長輩都還來打電話給我說他覺得他很健康他覺得他開車沒有問題他的反應比年輕人還要好那其實個案我沒辦法表示什麼 |
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個案我沒辦法表示,老人家也有身體,年輕人也不表示每一個年輕人都身心反應都很快嘛這個很難用年紀絕對來區分,但年紀他一定程度人老化他一定反應速度平均值上面一定比較相對弱一點,這個大概無庸置疑那到底它是什麼那這裡面會涉及到交通部怎麼來定義,也讓很多的老人家他覺得他受到歧視 |
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他覺得用年紀來歧視他是不合理的所以這裡面的關鍵我也不知道所以我也無法回答 我就在等運安會的一個結果好 那所以主委我看了一下像日本在2019年在時代也發生過類似老人家的車禍開車造成的慘劇所以日本在2022年他就強制要新車裝上 |
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這個所謂的黑盒子啦其實也就是這個EDR那台灣呢到目前為止我們是大客車跟大貨車有裝這個EDR那運安會會不會建議交通部或者相關部會對於未來的新車就是我們的自小客車啦要加裝EDR |
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我們的調查重點裡面有一些屬於車輛機械跟設備檢測的這個分組 |
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那我相信我們調查出來的這個結果會跟交通部會有交集啦會有交集那像這次三峽車或者這個舊的這個TOYOTA那個車齁照道理來講它是舊車它應該是沒有EDR啦就所謂新車現在也沒有 但是它現在有那個特斯拉有EDR之外 其他也沒有它這部車剛好有EDR喔 剛好有 OK所以我們現在是在解讀好 那會不會 |
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未來在你們的建議當中方便你們的調查你們會不會建議交通部說未來新車啊就以後在台灣賣的車輛都必須把EDR作為一個標準配備運營會有沒有這樣的想法我這邊的資料是台灣在116年 |
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現在114嘛 116年就規定都要裝新型的這個EDR對 就是已經116年開始的新車都要裝了對就是這樣子嘛那它不管什麼樣的車型都要裝 |
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大大小小的車子啦載貨載人的都要裝嘛對不對那這個是運安會給的建議嗎不是這是交通部的政策好那運安會如果有這樣的EDR對運安會的運作來講譬如說以路上的車禍而言你們的時間可不可以再縮短 |
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對我們的調查當然幫助很大幫助很大嗎對很大所以主委你也不反對嗎我贊成你贊成OK好所以簡單講就是說我提這個其實對我來講我並不了解它的成本就是說裝了之後對消費者他的購買新車他要增加多少成本但是我相信對於事故的調查會有幫助 |
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那大家會期待過去我們在講說叫你們增加人力啊等等這個問題我覺得都很困難啦講再講講再講其實都效果有限所以我們應該反過來再想其他透過其他的路徑有沒有辦法再讓你們的調查報告可以速度更快可以更精準這個才是第二條除了叫你們增加人力啊增加效率啊之外還有什麼外部輔助的方式 |
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這個是本席今天質詢的重點我們的調查品質就會更好啦所以我的意思還是期待啦因為政策的前端就是運安會啦特別像這個事件過後到底政策要怎麼調整法規要不要修改其實前端在你們 |
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我覺得這樣也比較科學啦不然老人家會覺得他受到歧視嘛但如果真的怎麼樣的老人家的有些老人家是健康的身心反應都沒有問題但有一些可能不行那這個時候該怎麼去做調整以確保大家的安全這個其實也是很重要的所以不用年紀去歧視老人家但 |
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國人的在行的路上的安全像這一次這種讓人家這麼難過的事情我們不希望它再發生所以怎麼樣很精準的把我們想要改變的問題把它集中要害的處理而不要盡量不要去誤傷那個無辜啦我覺得這個是最重要我們的立場也是這樣子啦完整的調查真正對症下藥啦對對對因為要對症下藥啦不然的話每一個政策出來都讓一堆無辜的人也不對 |
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那你不處理也不對因為我們不希望看到這種那麼讓人難過的事情再發生 |