| IVOD_ID |
162067 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162067 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-28T14:34:40+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-28T14:46:55+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/75aba70f567c6f24bd05a71e072c6fb6e795f59f7b69f6ae0eca21237c41e092e704fec7cb43ff685ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:34:40 - 14:46:55 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理114年度中央政府總預算決議有關衛生福利部主管預算凍結報告案64案(含報告事項51案及討論事項13案)。
二、審查
（一）行政院函請審議「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（二）委員林月琴等16人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（三）委員何欣純等16人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（四）委員王育敏等24人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（五）委員邱若華等16人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（六）委員黃捷等21人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（七）委員蔡易餘等17人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（八）委員李坤城等22人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（九）委員陳培瑜等19人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（十）委員郭昱晴等21人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（十一）委員陳素月等16人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（十二）委員鄭天財SraKacaw等18人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（十三）委員王美惠等19人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（十四）委員林淑芬等25人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（十五）委員王正旭等18人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（十六）委員吳沛憶等18人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
三、
（一）繼續審查委員王育敏等18人擬具「病人自主權利法部分條文修正草案」案。
（二）繼續審查委員劉建國等16人擬具「病人自主權利法部分條文修正草案」案。
（三）繼續審查委員邱志偉等19人擬具「病人自主權利法第八條、第九條及第十五條條文修正草案」案。
（四）審查委員李柏毅等16人擬具「病人自主權利法第九條條文修正草案」案。
（五）審查委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「病人自主權利法增訂第十六條之一條文草案」案。
【第一案及第二案，綜合詢答】
【二、第（一）、（六）及（七）案，如經復議則不予審查；第（八）至（十六）案，如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查】
【三、（四）及（五）案，如經復議，則不予審查】
【5月28日及29日二天一次會】） |
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一個謝主席 麻煩請食藥署長請江署長委員好署長好 我想請教一下在向你們申請作為食品原料在所有資料都備妥的情況下外部審查通常需要多久的時間 |
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跟委員進一步報告這個議題我們這個叫做非傳統食品的原料安全性的評估我們目前是委託單位那是陽明大學陽明交大的團隊協助我們那有兩個部分一個部分他是提到說我們一般的判定是否為非傳統性食品原料的問卷他說要花一個月 |
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然後飛船艇性食品原料安全幸福兩個月可是就我個人目前來的人兩個月今天剛好滿三個月跟大家報告一下所以我看到的情形是天荒地久 |
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竟然有超過三年那我覺得非常非常對不起委員以及各位國人針對一些新興非傳統性的食品需要怎麼樣子的去積極的去研議這件事情我會深緻的去做反省跟做改進我想你剛剛講有發現超過三年的應該就是我們辦公室送去的這個案例就是因為有一個 |
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這張圖片這個植物叫馬甲子明天將未來向你們申請作為食品原料但這個案件是從去年113年6月就送到你們那裡可是現在 |
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就是說就誠如署長還署長說的就是說他目前就還在外部審查中那確實詢問你們業務單位那這個回覆就是說給本辦的回覆就是115年底才會 |
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完成那所以我想署長上任短短三個月都覺得這樣的一個審查需要三年的時間確實是很扯啦那如果再加上公告的時間那可能真的是 |
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天荒地久那我想這個總不希望說署長一上任整個效率都變差了所以這個部分我不知道署長您接下來未來有什麼樣的方式可以來改善這樣的情形 |
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跟委員做進一步報告因為一直以來這一塊都是委託委外的給執行所謂的審查那審查的時間呢其實只有一個單位在審查嗎 對你剛剛說是 |
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陽明交大的一個團隊來協助我們那已經有很多很多年的歷史了這件事情我看了之後因為我本身是獨立背景出身的對於相關的資訊跟訊息我想他是可以積極加速的我想請教一下這個單位他們過去幾年一年大概審多少件 |
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我跟委員報告一下他剛才有講出兩個相次嘛一個叫做問卷的時候是不是第二個叫安全性評估兩個加起來量一年是寫15個所以KPI寫15件而已所以他們現在就是近一兩年大概他們收的案件是多少 |
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收購案件目前大概塞車大概還有10件還沒有完成歷年來大概他就是滿足大概15件KPI大概就是這樣子的程度而已所以那個署長你們會不會考慮就是還要再增加委外的團隊還是增加經費讓他們再多就是說能夠趕上你們送件的速度還是你要更換 |
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委外的團隊你有什麼樣比較具體的做法去加速這些審查好 跟委員做進一步說明我覺得我個人看啦我昨天去跟我的member講一件事情你先拿一份來我審我看我審多久回來告訴你 |
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因為就我個人一個人審然後上班空檔的時間來看多久時間來決定說接下來是怎樣我其實一種承諾就是上半年我們現在收到的下半年一定要結案那預計是今年年底一定希望能夠結案假如沒有辦法達到結案我們在中間另外委託不同的團隊快速的把目前累積的案子能夠完成我想是我努力的方向 |
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我想那個署長已經有覺悟這件事情你們就是要加快他的這個審查的速度那另外就是說那我們這樣子的個案是否還要再等等個三四年 |
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我剛才提到了我會讓他變成通案不會因為任何案的特殊我的想法是上半年接到的案下半年結束之前應該就要能夠完成這個的審查他也不是上半年他就是去年對有點久了超出我的想像正常的話應該是今年年初如果按照你的期審計的年初就要完成現在也年中了 |
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對 所以我個人對於這樣子的騎乘跟這樣進度其實有很多很多我對這個議案我自己都頗有維持所以我自己來檢討塞車很久的也麻煩你們優先來趕快加速處理好嗎一定的好 謝謝那請回座謝謝那接下來請那個部長跟口腔師 |
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去年有預告檳榔健康防治法,在你們預告之前除了找相關專家學者討論之外,請問有沒有找業者來徵詢他們的意見? |
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當然有但是因為你們遇到的版本民間還是有很多的意見那本席在這裡要提出幾項就請你們再認真檢討一下第一項就是條文的第五條你們用所有販賣檳榔的業者都要做登記主要目的是為什麼那個請口香師師長 |
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謝謝委員關心這個的話我們有收到很多人在反映說這個這樣的話會造成一些大家會覺得有點執行上的困難所以我們有收到大家的意見也召開很多會議我們會朝說讓民眾比較能夠接受的 |
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你這樣講我也是聽不出什麼具體啦執行上的困難什麼困難這個會處理我想點一下就是那個當然把所有業者做統一的管理的時候難免就是會讓人家聯想到就是說你們接下來就是要課稅不會課稅那再不然就可能是宣導對象尋找困難是嗎 |
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還是你們想要想要就是找出所有的對象所以利用登記的方式就不會漏掉任何一家 |
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跟委員報告 其實當初這個是我們最原始最原始的檔案嘛 最原始的版本後來經過大家不斷的討論陳儒我們剛剛我們部長所講我們會處理那我們會再循序漸進那我們會有以輔導以輔導來代替 畢竟現在因為我沒記錯依照財政部所登記一些稅籍資料全台灣大概有檳榔攤大概有將近8000家 |
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然後我們會優先從這樣慢慢去輔導因為至少我們已經有掌握了一些我想在這邊反映一個問題當然就是說對於這個宣導檳榔對人體的危害這個我是200%贊成那只是說就是說如果要講到就是說剛剛你說不會課稅那可能就還好一點因為畢竟就是說你們原先訂那個營收8萬以上的業者 |
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要課稅 那個不是我們訂的 不是你們訂的那個是財稅單位訂的 好那因為八萬是這樣啦就是說他的營收是營收但是如果扣掉人力的成本然後再加上這個比如說水電啦等等等這些可能到最後他實際上的這個月收其實不是很高所以這個部分或許這樣的政策既然 |
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引起恐慌那你們如果有知道要再檢討那是很好的那就是說再好好討論討論那另外就是說第8條的規定殯葬業者不得僱用未成年員工我想要請教一下部長你們這個規定的目的又是什麼 |
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不得僱用未成年員工我們應該年滿保護兒少那你為什麼不放在兒少法或者是保護兒少可是我們回頭去看另外一個在煙害防治法裡面並沒有限制未成年的這個就沒有限制他們說不能僱用未成年員工 |
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這個賣檳榔就要保護而燒 賣煙就不用保護而燒你的邏輯是什麼這樣子好了 部長我在這裡大膽假設啦你們是不是這條規定就是不希望未成年的這個未成年的這些人是不要去從事這個檳榔稀釋的工作是這樣吧 |
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有這樣的意思那如果是這樣的意思就像我剛剛舉例因為你們要考慮到我只要提醒就是說在你把這個希望未成年者不要從事這個檳榔稀釋的工作你把它放在檳榔健康防治法的這邊規範是不是有點怪怪的 |
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因為陰害防治法實施到現在已經快30年了,那有沒有要求超商說不得雇用未成年人員工?也沒有嗎?超商可以雇用未成年人員工嗎?其實勞動力的計算應該是15歲以上應該就可以去打工了吧? |
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這個你們可能不太熟我現在點出來你們要去想一想因為兒少是兒少工作權是工作權所以這個你們要分清楚 |
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如果你要去規範你們如果很在乎這個檳榔西施那是不是要一定放在這個地方所以你們要好好想想因為有工作權的問題因為來我們看一下這個下一張圖這兩家呢他都有在登那個真人廣告的檳榔攤 |
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他們不只賣檳榔也賣菸酒的批發所以這個刊登求職廣告的薪水待遇時薪大概就是一百九那月薪比基本公司好一點點大概三萬出頭那如果按照第八條的規定以後未滿十八歲的這個年輕人就不可以在這些地方打工啊對不對 |
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不是只有賣檳榔、喝煙酒一起賣但是單賣煙酒卻可以18歲以下去打工所以你們的邏輯是有問題的啦這樣會影響到年輕人部分年輕人的工作權我就在這邊提出所以今天好好想一想你們這樣規範的位置對不對好謝謝 |