| IVOD_ID |
162055 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162055 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-22-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-28T13:44:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-28T13:54:50+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/75aba70f567c6f249a56d6e54335fbfcb893ac8d10b5d33da2a5d391d24d3b60047be7cfaf59973b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:44:21 - 13:54:50 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：處理114年度中央政府總預算有關教育部主管預算解凍案33案。） |
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委員好部長我自己來自高教體系我想對於一個學者基本學術上面的integrity是高教教育的基本否則的話我們高教所有學術上面基本的要求乃至於標準全部都會崩毀我為什麼特別講這件事情我老實講我難以想像 |
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我沒有拿到一個特定學校特定專業的博士我在我的履歷表上面造假結果整個政府從上到下都在幫我掩護我看的是瞠目結舌我為什麼說我看的是瞠目結舌我一頁一頁帶部長看賴清德任命 |
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駐英公使江雅琪我們的科技部就已經認證學歷造假當初科技部在學倫大會上面是怎麼推翻法律專業學門七位教授一字訣認定 |
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違反學術倫理這個禮拜四科技部來的時候我一定會問到底當初這個學倫大會是怎麼開的這個是科技部要負責任的事項但是可以確定的是什麼事情可以確定的事情是 |
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他這個個人資料表明顯學歷造假現在你看的是科技部的嘛這個科技部的部分禮拜四我一定會要科技部好好地說明但我現在我公開質疑這件事情以後我接到的投訴是什麼 |
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我接到的投訴是他不僅僅在向科技部申請相關的計畫的時候在學歷表上面做虛偽不實的登載跟他在取得特定教授的資格任聘的資格上面的資料也有記載我剛前面都已經把它秀完了我不用一樣一樣帶你看我相信你們高教師的人應該都已經準備好了 |
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現在我不理解的事情是人家有跟教育部檢舉檢舉還附證據說他的學歷明顯登實登錄是不實的 |
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來我們看一下專科以上學校教師資格審定辦法第43條教師資格審查履歷表在履歷表上面有登載不實那教育部可以通過資格審定嗎我明明沒有拿到那個博士我在我的履歷表上面寫我有拿到這個博士然後教育部還通過審定這是怎麼回事這個檢舉後來教育部怎麼處理的來請部長 |
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跟委員回報對不起把麥克風打開這樣聽不到跟委員回報這個當初我們學校世新大學送審助理教授這一級用博士學位的時候因為世新大學已經是所謂的我們自審的學校所以它相關的一些教育部管不到不是教育部管不到因為學校完成了相關它專業領域還有博士學位我先直接問 |
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這個案子有沒有人跟教育部檢舉我上任之後目前是還沒有收到回去清查好是回去清查來請部長部長教育部在審定有關於教師任用資格的時候不管是助理教授還是副教授還是教授那個教授證書都是教育部審定的嗎 |
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當初我拿的中研院的聘書是我們中研院自己審定的這個我知道但其他學校的應該都是教育部審定的嘛是啊那現在問題來了啊在學歷履歷表上面登載不實然後還可以通過審定這是怎麼回事啊現在他不是只有這個人個案的問題喔 |
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這絕對不是只有個案的問題啊因為這個案子一旦原則下去了以後啊我跟部長報告以後天下大亂以後天下大亂啊我的基本的履歷表上面啊我愛怎麼填就怎麼填啊我有沒有取得哪一所大學的博士我愛怎麼填就怎麼填啊可以這樣嗎 部長我想你這一個 |
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這一個學歷的來源跟他頒發的學歷應該要精準這當然是教育部所規範的那我現在的問題就來了明明就出現了這麼嚴重的不實結果教育部上上下下沒有人要處理這件事跟我前舉的人說這位江教授似乎後台很硬從教育部到當初的國科會 |
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沒有人敢處理我想跟我們報告不是這樣事後因為我有看到媒體的一個揭露他確實是在杜倫大學裡面Faculty of Social Science and Health那個是法學院嗎他不是法學院 是嘛他下面是有一個School of Law對啊 但問題是他是School of Law出來的嗎是嗎 不是啊 |
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他是社會學系出來的啊這個基本的客觀事實我還要再複述嗎還要再幫他辯解嗎還是教育部部長今天要在立法院公開跟全國所有的學子如果從Faculty of Social Science and Health基本上他不能稱作法學院是 你講得很好嘛所以上面就登載不死啦現在大家包括一堆學者我覺得到一堆學者 |
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跟我檢舉說我們的教育部沒有打算要處理這件事耶所以現在是怎麼樣政治後台印顏色對了連教育的基本立場都可以棄守是這樣嗎 |
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跟委員報告陳儒剛才這一頁那個slide所秀出來的就確實我們如果針對教師資格相關的一些登載不實或者是相關的一個違規的事情我們確實會來查處啦這個案子有查處嗎 |
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因為我們目前這個我剛才有跟您報告的這個案子原本是由世新大學授權治審的一個結果所以我們如果再會請學校來做確認就是說當初他提到的相關的一些那個學歷到底是怎麼樣的我就直接跟你講啦一路造假 |
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一路造假到2021、2022被揭發了以後才趕快改中間有兩關喔我帶部長看一下這個這個齁剛剛在講的是助理教授級的嘛來看一下來來來來海大這個是副教授級的他敢掛副教授就是拿到教育部審定的證書了嘛對吧 |
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跟委員報告這如果是兼任的我必須要這個是不是在確認因為學校有時候他是會學校自己給他聘書沒有關係你們回去清查我願意給你時間因為顯然這件事情發生的時候你也還沒有當部長那這位司長可能也還沒有上任我願意給你們時間這個案子回去查清楚那請司長注意一件事情 |
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最讓我無法接受的是什麼教育部有沒有因人設施還為他改辦法我再說一次喔教育部有沒有因人設施還為他改辦法現在市長可能在搖頭嘛可能是因為你還沒有看到我下一張投影片我直接秀給你看 |
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為了這個案子專科以上學校違反送審教師資格規定處理原則本來是怎麼規定的教師資格審查履歷表登載不實這就違反了結果到了2021年8月25號的時候教育部突然改法規突然改法規說這個教師資格審查履歷表上面的不實 |
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包括身份資料 物善或其他類似的顯然錯誤後來就是用這個逃脫了先幫他改辦法最後再處理這個辦法部長 市長你們回去看全部都有為什麼這件事情會讓我瞠目結舌我們的教育部為了一個在履歷上面造假不實的人去改辦法我的老天啊 |
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582.826 |
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台灣的高教體系可以這樣搞喔2021年出來了以後先幫他改辦法再來開會這不是一人設施是什麼當初這個辦法怎麼改的誰主導的部長 師長回去查清楚可以嗎可以嗎可以可以 需要多久一個禮拜夠不夠好 我們一個禮拜一個禮拜之內 |
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593.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
609.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
給我書面回覆我下一次會繼續追問這個問題那要不然的話按照你們心感的辦法事情大條了啊事情大條了啊以後我們再申請高教資格的時候教一步甩鍋啊那履歷表上面青菜蝦蝦的都沒關係啦有這種事喔一個禮拜喔 可以齁可以 好 謝謝 |
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619.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
625.027 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
好 謝謝黃國昌委員質詢那官員請回座這個真的是動搖國本這個亂寫說是誤寫或誤騰這個我想會有很多 |