| IVOD_ID |
162047 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162047 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-3-36,19-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制、經濟委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
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司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制、經濟委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-28T13:17:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-28T13:24:41+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/75aba70f567c6f2473721784b9c75572f05c7c77e5f132fda2a5d391d24d3b601177a1dd1b6395705ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳宗憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:17:16 - 13:24:41 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-28T13:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制、經濟委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：併案審查（一）行政院函請審議、（二）委員王美惠等18人、（三）委員羅廷瑋等18人、（四）委員李坤城等16人、（五）委員吳秉叡等18人、（六）委員陳亭妃等16人、（七）委員蔡易餘等17人、（八）委員何欣純等22人及（九）委員吳思瑤等17人分別擬具「個人資料保護委員會組織法草案」案。
【第（八）案如經院會復議，則不予審查；第（九）案各黨團若未提出不復議同意書，則不予審查】
（星期三下午及星期四全天為一次會）） |
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謝謝那我們請那個各支會的李主任請李主任還有主計處的廖專委委員長 委員午安好 午安好 |
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好 謝謝那我們先請到李主任你們今天的報告有提出來就是說你們是相當於三個獨立的三級的獨立機關那我想請問一下 |
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草案我看到了草案第三條說到就是採合議制就是委員總共五到七人可是呢主委副主委專委兩人都是院長指派那這樣變成是五分之四還是六分之四還是七分之四還有一半都是院長指派的人那這樣子要怎麼樣獨立我想請教主委 欸主任 |
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好跟委員報告就是目前現階段他是依照我們組織法所任命之後然後獨立去好那我就所以我跟你講第一個我的疑問就是 |
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你裡面四個人是院長指派那你的委員才五到七人你等於是過半都是院長指派但是你只要過半就可以開罰那這樣子的合議制還有意義嗎因為都是執行院長的意見啊主任是跟委員報告就是目前當然現階段整個獨立機關的這樣的一個設置在河安跟 |
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我們的運輸安全也是有這樣的一個設置其實我們目前先用河岸會的那個設計只是做我們參考的那你這樣等於我還是聽的搞不清楚但你還是沒有講到我的答案 |
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因為我的題目啦就說有一半的人都是院長指派的人啦那這個要怎麼樣讓他能夠行政獨立這是我第一個意見那尤其是我認為目前我國的NCC還有中選會其實爭議都蠻多的那今天我們要讓你成立一個新的那個委員會但是在裡面成員的指派又都是院長可以指派超過半數的人那他要怎麼樣獨立這是我第一個問題那你剛剛說你們是接近哪個獨立機關 |
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目前因為三級機關我們也參考了核安會跟我們的運安會那因為本身組織法也去也有強調這一點他必須要本於他自己的一個依照法律要獨立行使職權我就說嘛我就還是回到最基本問題你一直告訴我你是獨立行使 |
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職權的機關但是我看到的是過半不管你採五到七人的哪一個人數過半都是院長所指定的人這就是我的問題那我再請教一下你們說我分三個區塊第一個區塊是公務機關優先各自全面監管第二個是非公務機關那第三個是目的事業主管機關的非公務機關那我想請教第一個公務機關的部分那如果以後法院他的裁判書裡面如果有 |
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那個不小心揭露一些 或是故意揭露一些合一性侵等等的個資呢 你們要怎麼裁法你要對法官開法嗎 還是對機關開法那部分有關於法院 因為本身在憲法就已經有保障說那個法院在行使他的那個審判的話是獨立行使所以那部分的話還是要按照現行的規定所以法院如果違反你們就無從處理嗎 |
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因為這個在國外包含在歐盟他們也是直接有規定獨立專人機關不可以去涉入那個審判當然沒關係我想說意思就是沒有辦法處理好那這是答案然後再來我請問我剛剛講第三個那如果是中華電信然後那個它是NCC管以後歸你們管還有銀行的各支這些本來是金管會管現在改成歸你們管嗎那我想請教一下那像這樣子的話那以後你們的人力足夠嗎 |
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跟委員報告目前現在我們先設計未來在作用法部分設計一個六年的條款會分階段兩年兩年回收然後同時再去評估我們現有的人力這個部分還要再跟人工因為這個量很大很驚人我在這邊先跟你說明一下是是是謝謝委員這量很大到底你有沒有辦法吃得下來是你們第一個要考量的問題謝謝委員 |
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然後再來就是說我看到你們說歸管的過渡期可是草案都沒有提到耶那這樣子的話那像我剛剛講到中華電信各家銀行有違反個資的問題 |
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那個裁罰的權責機關是誰?訴願的機關又是誰?你可以跟我講嗎?好 跟委員報告目前現在在作用法第51條之一是規定在分管的時間的時候還是由原分管的中央目的層面來進行裁罰但是他裁罰做了處分的話他的訴願不會再往其他地方跑是直接到我們這邊 |
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那還蠻特別的耶 這跟溯源法的規定不一樣所以你們用特別規定來處理對 直接到我們這邊來所以我們是用這個那這個要宣導明確喔因為人民對於溯源的程序他的理解會原本溯源法的規範作用法有明確規定那再來喔 最後我請教一個問題因為我看到你們啊 |
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草案的第10條又要大量聘用約聘人員50人啊那我想說哇 又是約聘因為其實我很擔心 我覺得國家怎麼走到最後都是約聘因為約聘它就不是經由正常的公務員文官任用的方式不是一般那種考試進來的嘛那約聘到最後會不會又變成是酬庸性質這是我們立法委員應該要監督的部分那我想請問一下主任這麼大量的約聘人數 那以後會不會又變成是酬庸呢 |
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跟委員報告 不會啦 因為我們上限是控制在50人齊二就是因為目前現在因為監管的事業多元化尤其還涉及到很多AI新的科技的發展還有對於說集合有些可能這些實務界我們公部門都找不到這種專業的人士剛好又是做公務員所以我們還是有這樣的一個需求好 沒有 我就說我的意見還是這個啦 約聘會不會變成酬庸 我想不管是哪一個政黨 只要立委 |
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都會在意這件事情你們那個監督議員化我不是說完全反對但監督議員化就會變成是事權的變成統一了那事權統一之後又會發生另外一個問題就是將來我們每個人都會擔心的就是會不會把這個委員會變成是整數一級用 |
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不要說整數不同黨啦同黨裡面我看也是殺到瘋了啦最近有一些政黨內部不同派系也是殺到瘋了會不會變成是主導的派系去殺他不喜歡的派系我不知道啦我也沒有說哪一個政黨啦會不會變成這樣這就是我認為監督議員化可能產生的副作用主任 |
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我相信你會有你的說法啦那我在這邊就是跟主任說明一下這個東西千萬不要發生好嗎就是一個委員會的成立是要保護國人不是拿來做政治鬥爭的好不好好謝謝我們吳宗憲委員的詢談 |