| IVOD_ID |
162037 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162037 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-28T12:15:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-28T12:28:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/75aba70f567c6f2469824f23df1a064fafe3e41e2f2b0d30a3426710e0a50eed8561d87bf4e94c8c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王世堅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:15:14 - 12:28:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查「國際金融業務條例」8案：
(一) 本院委員沈發惠等18人、委員鍾佳濱等17人分別擬具「國際金融業務條例第十三條、第二十二條之七及第二十二條之十六條文修正草案」等2案。
(二) 行政院函請審議、本院委員李坤城等20人、委員陳菁徽等16人、委員郭國文等19人、委員羅廷瑋等17人、委員陳玉珍等16人分別擬具「國際金融業務條例第二十二條之十六條文修正草案」等6案。【本院委員陳玉珍等16人提案如經院會復議，本次會議不予審查】
二、審查「證券投資人及期貨交易人保護法」9案：
(一) 行政院函請審議、本院委員鍾佳濱等20人、委員李坤城等19人、委員沈發惠等18人分別擬具「證券投資人及期貨交易人保護法部分條文修正草案」等4案。
(二) 本院委員林楚茵等17人、委員王鴻薇等19人、委員郭國文等18人、委員賴士葆等32人分別擬具「證券投資人及期貨交易人保護法第十條之一條文修正草案」等4案。【本院委員賴士葆等32人提案如經院會復議，本次會議不予審查】
(三) 本院委員林思銘等18人擬具「證券投資人及期貨交易人保護法第十條之一及第二十條條文修正草案」案。【本案須經各黨團簽署不復議同意書】
【5月28日及29日二天一次會】） |
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請我們進管會的彭主委好 請彭主委喂 彭主委好辛苦了我本來今天要跟你談難得你推動的這個亞洲資產管理中心現在已經有35家金融機構表態願意進駐這本來是好消息可是我今天要先跟你提一項就是到底我們國內血汗 |
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責任額的金融機構是哪一些啦因為大概這幾個禮拜來就承接著我們從去年開始有的這個ETF的熱潮那我們就陸續接到金融機構券商包括銀行那麼券商的營業員銀行的理專們他們都有來投訴就是說竟然啊 |
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我們的金融機構包括國營的喔給他們一個不合理的責任額的分配那這些責任額的分配那該券商銀行都是用這種人格侮辱威脅恐嚇經濟壓迫不公平對待甚至很多很奇怪的 |
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言論方式來壓榨他們我舉幾個這種亂象這些亂象其實或多或少我想主委你應該有接到投訴比方說這個責任你做不到自己想辦法比方說要不然你就自掏腰包要不然你就這個環境不適合你你就離開吧 |
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用這種威脅的方式甚至還直接券商還直接對這個營業人說我不相信你在IPO連十萬都賣不到都騙不到連十萬都騙不到那某一家今天 |
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這個公營勞務他也在場但是是他們的證券主管啦直接在談話的時候直接強調說要用話術去詐騙客戶天啊用話術詐騙客戶那就包括剛剛我講的連10萬IPO的時候你連10萬都騙不到嗎天啊 |
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我先前在說薯條三兄弟是有牌的地下錢莊成幾何時我們國家的國營的券商銀行竟然成了有牌的詐騙集團要去詐騙投資人詐騙我們一般的百姓可以這樣子嗎要 |
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他的禮專銀行券商要他的音樂園去詐騙投資者無辜的民眾可以這樣子做嗎然後還亂象超多啦我隨便舉幾項齁還說這些儲管講話的時候還說 |
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你的裙子穿得比別人短結果你的責任跟別人一樣你覺得這樣公平嗎竟然講這樣子的話有的主管還直接對女性講說你是女性欸你是女人欸你要利用自己的優勢天啊 |
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天啊這些都是實話我再沒有看到這些投訴沒看到他們提出的證據的時候實在不敢相信無法自信所以我相信王主委你或多或少理解到這一個部分所以我要請問你的就是說有沒有接獲就是我們金管組會有沒有接獲這個 |
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券商投信銀行 |
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他們的營業員禮專這一些那有這種被壓迫的情況還有第二點那我們金管會專案經檢了沒有那這個專案經檢我覺得不能只針對投信券商我看連銀行都要在內的原因是什麼呢銀行因為要負責保管嘛銀行現在他們也要銷售這個叫做投資型的 |
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投資型的保單那現在銀行也給他們的這個包括除了禮專以後還包括他們的櫃員他們在櫃台的也都分配他們額度就對然後甚至有的儲管直接挑明的說啦直接挑明的說說你自行購買就是你自掏腰包 |
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那這個就是付給公司的保護費條明要這樣講喔 說這個是付給公司的保護費否則 否則 欸 他說KPI不達到 年終獎金一毛也拿不到 |
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就是這樣子天啊激進恐嚇之能勢啦所以這些亂象那個彭主委我不曉得您有沒有接獲這一些亂象的投訴還有你打算怎麼樣來整頓報告委員我們有接到投訴那就是因為在大概是這件事情的前後我們大概有我們棋局這邊有接到一些投訴的動作啦那當然 |
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就像這個全經聯也提出一些訴求啊我們當然也就採取了行動那這部分的話我們分兩部分跟委員簡單說明一下我先請那個政經局長簡單跟你報告一下他們現在請眷商是怎麼做 |
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跟委員報告我們現在已經叫建商全部去搜尋這個事項那搜尋回來我們再來看他們怎麼方式來現在去搜尋資料那這個大概多久會有結果我想一兩個禮拜就會回來一兩個禮拜一個禮拜兩個禮拜你要講清楚好不好因為兩個禮拜他們就會回報回來那你一拿到結論 |
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你除了通報彭主委也讓我們知道好不好讓我們財委會知道好不好那彭主委你有要求說你這其實也對啦你要求他們說先制定規範先制律這也對可是如果已經有這麼荒腔走板的言行出現 |
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黃牆左板的要求出現了我覺得這不只是讓他們自律而已而且剛剛你有提到的這個全今年他們這個五大訴求我覺得這個五大訴求都蠻有道理的而且是我們應該積極去做到包括他提到的第五個訴求就是建立吹哨者的保護機制這一點也很重要否則他們金若寒蟬不太敢講 |
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任何一個建設性的意見對希望市場更健全更好我們都會來演繹參考他們認為頭信回單機制應該揭露他們認為對違法違規的券商要從嚴處分限期改善這個都對啊要求他們內部規範這就是你提到的嘛內部規範先要求他們自律 |
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然後他們要求說IPO的評分機制這個要有這個都正確的事情尤其最後這一點就是說我希望能做到這個吹哨者保護的機制好不好我想這些都很具體啦我們都可以來看看只要能夠改善市場剛才委員提到啦剛才那些情況如果是不合理的我想 |
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我上次文匯提到說因為我們業務端他有很多的那個促進業務的做法但是也要合理對當然合法是不是不用講了你看喔這些齁我舉我舉你看嘛去年我諮詢就講我說我們 |
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銀行手續費收入是佔竟然佔他們的大宗那我們前五大還好這前五大都是民營銀行他們去拼賺這些手續費最高的一年四百一十幾億其他都兩三百億第五名的還有一百六十六億之高那當然這些手續費的收入某個程度講這是他們的權利啦但是每年啊 |
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加起來上千億的手續費我就講五年就好 |
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五年以來金融商品的說明不足造成的爭議竟然高達1390件欸五年1390件讓他們每年可以收上千億兩千億的手續費那這些金融商品他們胡亂週一通就是剛剛講的騙的結果有爭議啦1390件五年總共罰五件啦 |
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五件那總共罰五千六百萬那可以說是哇這個是九牛一毛啦九萬牛一毛啦 |
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每年兩千多億啊五年一兆的手續費那有爭議的那麼多只罰五千六百萬天啊所以我最後那個主席不好意思齁我再一分鐘我是要跟那個彭主委強調一下其實我們要壯大台灣金融市場打造具有台灣特色的資產管理這個都對但是有一點 |
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我一直覺得蠻矛盾就是我一年前講 講到現在我就說我們受險的資金餘額35兆裡面有高達70%有25兆拿去買國外的債券基金而這些國外的債券基金兩大風險一個匯率 一個戰爭結果兩個我們都碰到了匯率就是這一次美國這一次 |
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那這台幣漲了一成他們的損失這麼重大他們受險要的損失就是全民保護的損失欸是這樣嘛這個阿藏針提的也碰到了嘛俄國買的那一千三百多億就是碰到戰爭的風險所以我要你回去好好細思一下當我們希望打造台灣成為亞洲資產管理中心的時候至少 |
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我們要一定程度的要在國內我們設建設公債引導我們這些受險資金回到台灣來壯大台灣這才對也就是說我們的錢至少相當一部分我們自己管這樣我們才有辦法去吸收國外的錢說你來給我管不是這樣嗎如果我們70%的錢出去給別人管 |
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然後我們說拜託大家錢來給我管這不成效那要找誰來給我們管找非洲的小國家嗎所以這一點我們要好好的細思一下也就是說美國這一次的關稅匯率這件事情是不是會影響到我們導引我們國內授權業的資金回台灣這個部分正反面好好去評估好不好 |
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接著請黃珊珊委員質詢 |