| IVOD_ID |
162032 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162032 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-28T12:03:51+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-28T12:15:08+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:17 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/75aba70f567c6f24b954356de8278c71afe3e41e2f2b0d30a3426710e0a50eed31f66945a42017395ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳玉珍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:03:51 - 12:15:08 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查「國際金融業務條例」8案：
(一) 本院委員沈發惠等18人、委員鍾佳濱等17人分別擬具「國際金融業務條例第十三條、第二十二條之七及第二十二條之十六條文修正草案」等2案。
(二) 行政院函請審議、本院委員李坤城等20人、委員陳菁徽等16人、委員郭國文等19人、委員羅廷瑋等17人、委員陳玉珍等16人分別擬具「國際金融業務條例第二十二條之十六條文修正草案」等6案。【本院委員陳玉珍等16人提案如經院會復議，本次會議不予審查】
二、審查「證券投資人及期貨交易人保護法」9案：
(一) 行政院函請審議、本院委員鍾佳濱等20人、委員李坤城等19人、委員沈發惠等18人分別擬具「證券投資人及期貨交易人保護法部分條文修正草案」等4案。
(二) 本院委員林楚茵等17人、委員王鴻薇等19人、委員郭國文等18人、委員賴士葆等32人分別擬具「證券投資人及期貨交易人保護法第十條之一條文修正草案」等4案。【本院委員賴士葆等32人提案如經院會復議，本次會議不予審查】
(三) 本院委員林思銘等18人擬具「證券投資人及期貨交易人保護法第十條之一及第二十條條文修正草案」案。【本案須經各黨團簽署不復議同意書】
【5月28日及29日二天一次會】） |
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我們全國任何一家證券公司的分公司是不是都要做執行KYC |
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如果對客戶來講,應該這是我們金融消費者保護法規定的...是要定期的更新客戶資料嘛,Know Your Customer,對,這個程序嘛,沒錯吧是的有,有這個規定齁那詢問客戶呢,是不是,詢問客戶是否是新聞上參與罷免民進黨立委王定宇的青年軍,這個是KYC嗎? |
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這當然不會是我們金管會的,我也看到這個新聞,我也覺得這個...還有詢問客戶是否參與罷免民進黨利益亡定,這個是KYC嗎?謝謝文給我們澄清的結果,我們金管會不可能去做這些事情不可能嗎? |
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但是我們查了一下相關的報導金管會並沒有做出任何的澄清啊你有看到這個新聞嗎這個營業人士說來來我把這個過程講一下這個有新聞嘛你有看到了喔議員也有出來開這個記者會說金管會查水表喔 |
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當然不可能 我再重申只是我們現在的從業人員常常把那規定就是說金管會規定的他是說短短七天內接到原大證券林森分公司許信研究員兩通電話對方先以例行更新客戶個人資料為由進行詢問然後詢問那位胡先生是不是新聞上參與罷免民進黨立委王定宇的青年金然後在追問以後還表示 |
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營業員表示此為因應金管會要求進行的調查你們沒有做任何的澄清我們有太多太多的消息我們都要澄清的話 |
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非常非常簡單的常識問題金管會怎麼可能去規定這個事情我事實上對金管會的正式的澄清絕不可能我們印象覺得政府機關都是守法守紀一般來說不會做那種很奇怪的事情 |
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近年來很多的機關都非常的所謂的中立機關 獨立機關都非常不中立不獨立所以我們也產生懷疑理論上今晚會也不應該是這樣做啦因為你們還沒有澄清就讓人家覺得是不是一種默認啦當然不會 那我意思就好像我們每天每天這麼多網路上的 |
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網民講一些事情我們都要澄清但是那些有的是詐騙集團但是不屑是有一個營業員這樣做的我覺得假設這邊只涉到某家證券公司他應該自己來澄清這件事情你們也應該去了解一下吧他應該自己去釐清說你們的同仁有沒有很多事情就講說都是盡管會規定的你既然已經在那邊澄清了我也想請你給你一個禮拜調查一下結果要送過來 |
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不可能我再講說這是我相信你我沒有不相信我只是說你們都沒有做任何動作會讓外界誤以為這個就是你們在做這樣子的任務謝謝委員給我這個機會剛好這邊那也調查一下嘛像你說的那個相關的公司也沒有出來澄清啊他也理論上應該自己站出來說句話不然現在以現在整個這個氛圍這樣子大家都覺得有可能金管會或相關的這個都做這樣的事情 |
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好 一個禮拜給我們報告好 謝謝我們來講那個詐騙 詐騙現在的確是很猖獗看不下去 你看114年今年的4月份就是上個月 |
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財產的損失是七十六億五千一萬五千多片的這個詐騙數假投資四十億網路購物假買家都是一億一億假交友十三億假交友這個產業已經變成一個產業了而且我們看到那個 |
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那個他的這個產值啊就是他詐騙金額都越來越高所以國人實在是受害很深啊這個很多你看很多人也都不學好就裡面投入這個產業其他產業也很慘但是詐騙產業真真正正日上啊案件也一直提高那你看喔你們有提一個 |
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金融帳戶預警的這個制度嘛對吧你沒有提這個制度出來嘛所以要聯手這個勸阻這個客戶把資金匯往疑似涉及詐騙的境內帳戶預計在今年五月底完成嘛五月底剩幾天了會完成嗎 |
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我們已經完成了我們來看一下你們公布的市井帳戶我們看從110年第一季是4萬多戶在隔一年是7萬多戶112年變9萬6到113年是12萬6到了今年每一年一年看今年是15萬15萬個警示帳戶所以這警示帳戶隨著你們的這個 |
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這個煮炸應該有一直加強啦對不對但是警示帳戶越來越多啦但是我們也看到了就是我們自從我們今年年初採取一系列措施以後警示帳戶的成長率已經快接近零成長率接近零嗎114年第一季15萬還是在成長但成長率已經比以前 |
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有明顯下降我們是希望他趕快趨近一年所以現在第二季還沒關第一季十五萬第二季一季0.4成長率從原來的大概理論上這種帳戶應該是要下降從原來成長率2.3到0.4 |
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我想這個部分我們一定很努力就是我們做得不好我們覺得這個也是大家還要繼續努力詐騙實在是太過猖獗大家都被詐騙過你們二月的時候有邀請各個銀行開會有你訂一個改善機制對吧 |
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有兩個監控的指標僅是戶比還有存款帳戶比僅是戶業新增率和同業平均業增率這兩個比例如果一旦從實超過100%就會被打入黑名單嘛對不對那現在已經實施三個月了吧成效好不好我們請局長跟我們說明一下 |
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跟委員報告那個我們到目前為止我們有訂定這個指標對然後如果連續兩個月都超過100的話我們會正式發文那我們已經在上個禮拜有正式發文目前有三家金融好請問是哪些銀行哪三家銀行那我們知道但要公告公告以後大家才知道這些銀行是不可以不然這些銀行大家要注意這些銀行來的贓物而且會影響銀行的信用對吧我想我們會適時的時候再對因為我們現在還在你如果公告才有 |
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賀祖的效果才有老百姓才知道說這銀行不好這銀行才會更努力的去打詐 阻詐這是未來的一定是這樣那請問是哪些銀行我也不知道說真的哪幾家沒有想這個沒辦法公告是嗎現在我覺得這部分我們還是先從這個控管機制我覺得在這時候當場公佈我覺得這部分我們還要再為什麼 你怕怎樣 |
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保護南越銀行我也不知道南越銀行真的我可以再跟委員報告我想在這邊我們暫時先為什麼我們要保護這個不夠努力的銀行或者我們這樣講沒關係因為剛開始嘛二月嘛現在五月剛開始到五月那我們是不是後面可以建立一個制度就是說如果做得不好就是要公告嘛它才有警惕效果嘛銀行也才會更努力嘛 |
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未來公告就是我們的武器啦但是因為我們制度實施很多時候呢我們希望我們的指標更穩定更可靠以後呢你公告銀行自然就會更努力啊他也不想上榜變成一個好像詐騙集團都特別favor他們的銀行或者他們特別有詐騙集團去那個對不對我們就是希望說對大眾有幫助一個月76億的詐騙金額啊沒有我想說這部分除了這個部分以外還有什麼措施你們還可以再做的 集體措施 |
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其實我們很多就不能夠對外說明啦因為現在詐團也在看我們看你們做什麼道高一尺 謀高一丈對 我們希望我們是謀高一尺 道高一丈但是我的意思是說因為我們有請金融機構我們要用科技打詐 精準打詐意思是說我們不會對外說我們怎麼做 |
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因為炸團也是個產業剛剛委員講到實在是太誇張了他會知道我們怎麼做以後他也會因應這個我們理解我們也可以我們可以理解希望你們做得好但是如果做得不好的你給他公告也會有幫助那是絕對的當作未來的方向 |
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這也是我們做這個指標很重要的目的啦希望做得好的我們也有獎勵做得不好大家也有利益因為從金融機構下手也是一個很大的幫助因為投資詐騙跟這個實在影響很大然後接著我在本期在3月31號有諮詢我們金管會的OIU的事情 |
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就有關這個因為OIU是最大客源是入客大陸限制來台所以客源少了一大塊這個部分那我也說過我們金門發展OIU的優勢有入客有優惠的這個稅收還有小三通現在是唯一兩岸間有大陸客可以來的地方那金管會有那時候給我一個報告就是說 |
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金蘭的說法你們的答覆竟然是說如果未來縣市我們地方有提出相關發展方向的話你們會配合評估樂見高雄專區要做了吧高雄專區成功以後可以複製到其他城市喔但我覺得說我們就是因為相信金管會的專業 |
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就是說因為地方政府是在比較沒這方面的人力就相信你們專業才是請你們幫我們提供出一個方法看有沒有什麼做法讓比如說金門這樣一個特殊的地方可以OIU可以做得更好或者是可以開始的OIU現在全國都做得不好那我們就說我們的那個地理的位置就請你們提出方法現在你們又給我回答說請建制政府提出發展方案這個好像有點倒過來 |
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我們是請你們協助你們的專業我們可以做什麼我覺得真的很佩服委員在對金門鄉親的這些的關懷我的意思是說主要是因為我們這個專區的概念是說由地方政府說我願意提出什麼配套措施那我們 |
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地方政府金融專業沒有櫃會的牆他們提的不是你們可以說我們需要配合什麼我們來做嗎我舉例他提供場地提供一些地方的比如說生活或租稅上面他們地方可以做的優惠 |
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你們列舉出來我們可以來看地方政府來做哪些是你們主動提出來嘛因為地方政府不知道到底要怎麼做我們也沒有期待像什麼高雄一樣什麼15 16家什麼這個銀行進駐啦至少利用這個地利之便有入客到訪這個優勢怎麼樣來做啦我們樂於就是跟比如說 |
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接著請王世堅委員質詢 |