| IVOD_ID |
162027 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162027 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-28T11:42:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-28T11:52:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/75aba70f567c6f24a563f78e75be59dad126c33bcaff1fd1a3426710e0a50eed065310c84e3566ad5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:42:14 - 11:52:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：處理114年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算解凍案。） |
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請 秘書長秘書長張維豪這邊你們刪了 砍了這個地方的補助款不只是違法亂七根本就是不顧人民的死活秘書長你應該知道嘛你現在砍掉是什麼預算這地方補助款是什麼事社會福利預算欸照顧最弱勢的長輩跟小孩 |
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教育地方的基礎建設有些甚至是救命錢你們怎麼砍得下手呢636的空白就不會發生這樣的事636為什麼是空白你剛才說636沒辦法砍沒辦法捅山這裡面有兩個很重要的原則我覺得你們一直在扭曲一直在造謠我先給你一個個案 |
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636自行調整這個在第一年來通商的預算要行政院自己調整每年都有嘛對不對第一個每年都有這是第一個原則第二個你們在喊636你們沒辦法處理我給你一個可以處理的案子同樣是民進黨執政2002年總統什麼人陳水北嘛行政議長 |
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張慶雄 同樣是民進黨執政那一年要行政院去自行調整要刪掉多少錢 658億比例的636更加多耶那一年有沒有調整好那一年解決啦為什麼陳水扁可以賴清德不行為什麼張慶雄可以處理 總統他不行你們根本就是違法亂計啊 |
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第一個每一年都有通商要你自行調整第二個你的金額也不是最大的現在更可惡的你們還去砍那個跟人民最有關係的上次我已經罵你們罵一頓了你們在砍勞工的退休金 |
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靠從罕見疾病健保的這個錢我說你們從政久了什麼心變硬變黑了是不是你那天我就跟你們講人民相關的錢一碼錢都不能砍你要砍那時候從你們特別費開始嘛先砍自己的啊特別費是零了對啊特別費我那時候就講你們人民的事情不重視你們砍人民的錢從你們開始嘛所以我那天我就主張特別費從總統一直到行政院長到部委首長錢砍嘛後來很客氣啊 |
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有些砍了全部 有些砍了六成而已你們做不完 憑什麼頂頭白皮拿這個錢去請客啊 送禮啊當然要砍啊 這一天更加生氣了那時候砍什麼勞退的這個錢現在弄到砍的是社福的預算 你們怎麼砍得下去啊你們有沒有天良 有沒有良心啊 |
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好啦,我已經很清楚跟你講了回去跟總統跟行政院長講以前的陳水扁可以做張建雄可以處理,憑什麼中泰跟賴清德處理不來那你說找不到錢,我幫你找錢你當過國發會主委國發基金農會要落鹹中,那你怎麼沒錢國發基金去投資聯合再生虧損多少八四了啦 |
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投資了如新牛仔褲虧損多少?12.38千載交通一來一去啦現在怎麼沒錢?更何況你今年還是歷年來卻薪高的將近三兆的預算欸你們很窮你們砍那個最弱勢的地方政府接下來我要跟你談違法亂紀在哪裡? |
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這是明明先過我剛剛已經跟你開宗明義講了以前有例子你們本來就要解決問題你們不解決結果現在砍了人民救命錢我們在審查預算的時候看下一張要你去通刪歷年來都這樣嘛不只今年你去翻以前要通刪的通案刪減的按鈕刪的是誰中央各機關及所屬 |
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你到底有沒有看到有地方補助這是第一個第二個地方補助款我們省的時候一毛錢也沒有刪啊第三個才化法三十條不能比上一年度減少你三個都違反了耶第四個也是很離譜的 |
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地方補助款你在前一年的八月份你就要通知他對不對你做國會主席要顧這必須定 背後對不對前一年八月你跟人家講各個縣市已經編好了經過各個地方議會通過了因為立法院刪掉了我們也沒辦法 |
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你為什麼一直在扣這個立法院刪掉立法院從法內傳一層面要刪的是中央政府跟手指的各機關更明確的補助款一毛錢沒有砍對不對第三個財務法還有那條線在那邊你怎麼會講是立法院砍的 |
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而且就不能砍這一筆嘛你要砍的我剛剛跟你講啦上次我跟你講砍特別費砍了嘛對不對今天我就更明確跟你講國發基金浪費的錢這是為什麼要砍這636第一個膨脹太多嘛 |
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歷史有史以來最高的 你比去年一下子膨脹了8.2%地市突破3兆耶 當然要砍啊而且浪費那麼多 避孕那麼多你應該是從你的國發基金浪費的地方去砍嘛你怎麼砍人民咧 砍地方政府咧國發基金的預算很少 沒有636億沒有636億 對啊 你現在最少也一兩百億可以做對不對浪費我剛剛已經練了100多億給你聽了吧 |
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我們需要稅出預算那636為什麼2002年張建雄可以找得到你們找不到我們也很無奈要回去找不是無奈你回答我從政的初衷是什麼你為什麼會給2500億給地方政府原先的預算就是要支持地方政府 |
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但是有了636這樣的空盤預算我們其他的已經已經砍掉了1400多億所以所以這個也是為什麼我講無奈的立法院很清楚當初為什麼要這個通案的刪減我告訴你有史以來都有2002年還比你多那為什麼要這樣刪第一個你膨脹太快第二個你有浪費跟弊案嘛我今天都很明確跟你講國發基金是其中一部分嘛 |
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2002年他也去找到錢嘛你有潛力可行聽聽我講你有潛力可行你要走正道啊你怎麼反而回過頭去砍那個罪不應該砍的不只是違法喔你現在摸著良心講立定你摸著良心講你現在砍的那個地方補助社福的預算 |
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你這樣怎麼對得起那些長輩 對得起那些小孩教育的費用耶 地方建設的基礎建設耶二十幾年來只有2002年跟今年發生而已表示這種狀況 它是不尋常的不尋常 那為什麼2002年可以解決為什麼你沒辦法解決 |
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你給主計長來報告你們提出的某些解決方案啊不是完全不行欸最重要是你浪費了你的弊案你要處理嘛現在這兩個大問題你自己沒有反省去解決真的要砍掉浪費跟弊案的錢第二個你去砍的最不應該砍的錢嘛不知道你摸著良心你砍的是人家 |
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攸關他們說長輩跟年輕人 社福的預算欸 教育的預算欸基礎建設的預算欸 你怎麼可以砍這筆預算咧我們也很無奈你無奈 你要去解決問題嘛 對不對回到初期 如果各地方政府有需要的時候 我們會協助各地方政府如果有需要 我們會協助 |
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學術 這個是在法定上應該給的錢嘛你們不應該砍就還給人家啊 什麼叫學術人家現在就告你們了嘛現在連蔣萬安都說提行政訴訟嘛 對不對立委都當場都檢舉了嘛我們克扣稅 克扣稅嘛 我們就追究你們責任好啦 秘書長 我做一個結論啦人在公門好休閒 今天包括主席總署 |
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你說租界主計長是新來的 為台南起來你們主計總署都這麼資深 那麼優雅的官員對不對你們去看看以前的個案怎麼處理的每一年的通商都可以處理 2002年可以處理你們主計長如果是新來的 你們有資深的 你們要幫他解決問題啊我做一個結論啦 回到初心 |
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回到初心 人在公門好修行不要違法亂紀 更不要對不起人民 謝謝 |
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主席：秘書長。 |
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龔秘書長明鑫：張委員好。 |
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張委員啓楷：秘書長，這一次你們刪了、砍了地方的補助款，不只是違法亂紀，根本就是不顧人民的死活！秘書長應該知道你現在砍掉的是什麼預算吧？地方補助款是要用來做什麼事情？社會福利預算耶！照顧最弱勢的長輩跟小孩；教育、地方的基礎建設，有些甚至是救命錢，你們怎麼砍得下手？你們還有良心嗎？ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：如果沒有636的空白就不會發生這樣的事。 |
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張委員啓楷：636為什麼是空白？你剛才說636沒辦法砍、沒辦法統刪，這裡面有兩個很重要的原則，我覺得你們一直在扭曲、一直在造謠，我先給你一個個案，636自行調整，我們在歷年來通刪的預算要行政院自己調整是每年都有嘛，對不對？ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：但是今年的金額實在太大…… |
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張委員啓楷：第一個，每年都有，這是第一個原則。第二個，你們在喊636你沒辦法處理，我給你一個可以處理的案子，同樣是民進黨執政，2002年總統是什麼人？陳水扁嘛！行政院長──張俊雄，同樣是民進黨執政，那一年要行政院去自行調整，要刪掉多少錢？658億，比636還要多！那一年有沒有調整好？那就可以解決啦！為什麼陳水扁可以，賴清德不行？為什麼張俊雄可以處理，卓榮泰不行？你們根本就是違法亂紀啊！第一個，每一年都有通刪，要你自行調整。第二個，你的金額也不是最大的。現在更可惡的是，你們還去砍那個跟人民最有關係的預算，上次我已經罵你們罵一頓了，財劃法剛過，你們就砍勞工的什麼退休金、砍什麼罕見疾病健保給付的錢！你們從政久了，心變硬、變黑了是不是？那天我就跟你們講，人民相關的錢一毛錢都不能砍，你們要砍就從你們特別費開始，先砍自己的啦！ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：特別費是零，已經砍光了。 |
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張委員啓楷：特別費的部分，我那時候就講，人民的事情你們不重視，你們要砍人民的錢，應該從你們開始嘛！所以我那天就主張特別費從總統一直到行政院長、各部會首長先砍嘛，後來很客氣，有些砍了全部、有些砍了六成而已…… |
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龔秘書長明鑫：行政院全部全刪。 |
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張委員啓楷：你們做不好憑什麼領特別費？拿這個錢去請客、送禮，當然要砍啊！這些更讓人生氣了，那時候砍了什麼勞退的錢，現在變成砍的是社福的預算，你們怎麼砍得下去啊？你們有沒有天良？有沒有良心啊？我今天已經很清楚跟你講了，回去跟總統跟行政院長講，以前的陳水扁可以做、張俊雄可以處理，憑什麼卓榮泰跟賴清德就處理不來？你說找不到錢，我幫你找錢，你當過國發會主委，國發基金浪費得多麼嚴重，怎麼會沒錢？國發基金去投資聯合再生虧損多少？140億！投資了如興牛仔褲虧損了多少？12.38億。我隨便舉例就是億來億去啊！行政院怎麼會沒錢？更何況今年還是歷年來新高的，將近3兆的預算耶！你們還喊窮！你們砍那個最弱勢的地方政府！ |
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接下來我來跟你談違法亂紀在哪裡？我剛剛開宗明義就已經跟你講了以前有歷史，你們本來就要解決問題，你們不解決，結果現在砍了人民的救命錢，我們在審查預算的時候要你去通刪，歷年來都這樣嘛！不是今年才這樣，你去翻以前要通案刪減的案由，刪的是誰？中央各機關及所屬。你哪一隻眼睛看到有地方補助？這是第一個。第二個，地方補助款的部分，我們審的時候一毛錢也沒有刪啊！第三個，財劃法第三十條規定不能比上一年度減少。你三個都違反耶！第四個也是很離譜的，地方補助款部分，你在前一年的八月份就要通知它，對不對？你做了那麼久的國發會主委、又當秘書長，八月份，對不對？ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：對。 |
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張委員啓楷：前一年的八月你要跟人家講，各個縣市已經編好了，也經過各地方議會通過了。 |
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龔秘書長明鑫：因為立法院刪掉了，我們也沒辦法。 |
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張委員啓楷：你為什麼一直說立法院刪掉？從法律層面，立法院要刪的是中央政府跟所屬各機關，更明確地說，補助款一毛錢沒有砍，對不對？第三個，財劃法還有那一條規定在那邊，你怎麼會講是立法院砍的？是行政院砍的，大家也看得出來是行政院砍的，而且就不能砍這一筆嘛！你要砍的，我剛才已經跟你講了！ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：所以我們當初為什麼會提出覆議跟釋憲…… |
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張委員啓楷：上次我跟你講砍特別費，砍了嘛！對不對？今天我就更明確地講，國發基金浪費的錢，這次為什麼要砍這636？第一個，膨脹太多，有史以來最高的，比去年一下子膨脹了8.2%，第一次突破3兆，當然要砍啊！而且浪費那麼多、弊案那麼多，你應該是從國發基金浪費的地方去砍，怎麼會砍人民、砍地方政府呢？ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：國發基金的預算很少，沒有636億…… |
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張委員啓楷：現在最少也一、兩百億可以做，對不對？浪費的部分，我剛剛已經唸了一百多億給你聽了吧？ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：我們是要歲出預算…… |
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張委員啓楷：還推責任！其他地方浪費了，636為什麼2002年張俊雄可以找得到，你們就找不到？ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：我們也很無奈。 |
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張委員啓楷：要回去找，不是光會講無奈。秘書長，從政的初衷是什麼？你一個這麼有名的學者，來到行政院國發會當主委，你的初心是什麼？ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：報告委員，我們為什麼會編2,500億給地方政府？原先的預算就是要支持地方政府，但是有了636這樣的空白預算，我們其他的已經砍掉了一千四百多億元，所以這個也是為什麼我講無奈的原因。 |
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張委員啓楷：秘書長，立法院很清楚當初為什麼要有這個通案的刪減，有史以來都有，2002年還比這多，為什麼要這樣刪？第一個，膨脹太快。第二個，有浪費跟弊案，我今天就很明確跟你講，國發基金是其中一部分，2002年他也去找到錢，你有前例可循，你要走正道啊！你怎麼反而回過頭去砍那個最不應該砍的？不只是違法，你現在摸著良心講，你現在砍那個地方補助、社福的預算，你這樣怎麼對得起那些長輩？怎麼對得起那些小孩？教育的費用、地方的基礎建設耶！ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：報告委員，二十幾年來，只有2002年跟今年發生這種狀況，表示它是不尋常的，甚至也不合理。 |
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張委員啓楷：既然不尋常，為什麼2002年可以解決，而你沒辦法解決？你叫主計長來報告，你們也提出某些解決方案，不是完全不行耶！最重要的是你們浪費了、你們的弊案要處理嘛！現在是這兩個大問題，你自己沒有反省、沒有去解決，沒有砍浪費跟弊案的錢。第二個，你去砍了最不應該砍的錢！你摸著良心，你砍的是攸關那麼多長輩跟年輕人社福的預算、教育的預算、基礎建設的預算，你怎麼可以砍這些預算？ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：我們也很無奈。 |
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張委員啓楷：你要去解決問題啦！回到初心啦！人在公門好修行…… |
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龔秘書長明鑫：各地方政府如果有需要，我們會協助。 |
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張委員啓楷：協助？這是法定上應該給他們的錢，你們不應該砍就還給人家啊！什麼叫協助？ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：那是立法院的決議。 |
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張委員啓楷：人家現在就告你們了，現在連蔣萬安都提行政訴訟，對不對？立委都當場檢舉了，你們剋扣稅，我們就追究你們的責任。好啦，秘書長，我做一個結論，人在公門好修行，今天包括主計總處，你說主計長是新來的，從臺南上來的，你們主計總處都是這麼資深、那麼優良的官員，對不對？你們去看看以前的個案怎麼處理的，每一年的通刪都可以處理，2002年可以處理，主計長如果是新來的，你們有資深的人要幫他解決問題啊！ |
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我做一個結論：回到初心、回到初心，人在公門好修行，不要違法亂紀，更不要對不起人民。謝謝。 |
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主席：請張雅琳委員。 |
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140 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-3-15-22 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
張宏陸 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
麥玉珍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
李柏毅 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
高金素梅 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
黃捷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
蘇巧慧 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
王美惠 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
張智倫 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
丁學忠 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
許宇甄 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
吳琪銘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
牛煦庭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
徐欣瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
黃國昌 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
翁曉玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
張啓楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
張雅琳 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
王鴻薇 |
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91 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2025-05-28 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1145401 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1145401_00004 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
處理114年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算解凍案 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1145401_00003 |