| IVOD_ID |
162020 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162020 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-28T10:42:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-28T10:50:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/75aba70f567c6f24d68a19981e335a93d126c33bcaff1fd1a3426710e0a50eeda5835fc312a1a2b25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
許宇甄 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:42:36 - 10:50:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：處理114年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算解凍案。） |
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今天我聽到很多民進黨的委員都在講說藍白亂三預算這個就是一個謠言可以在我們的委員會造謠嗎 |
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當秘書長你還說表示贊同我來幫你回復一下記憶喔在去年的12月18的時候我們在內政委員會要審查中央我們行政院的預算當時是徐欣委員擔任召委那當天早上因為民進黨委員不斷的杯葛議事導致委員會空轉一整天所以大概到了下午4點才議事恢復正常那召委也宣布恢復開會當時秘書長您也還在我們的委員會可是不曉得為什麼您接了一通神秘電話之後你就離開了 |
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那當時呢 我們覺得你這樣的一個行為其實就是藐視國會 藐視我們委員會所以也有要求您要道歉而且也要請您提出一個報告那當時您也有承諾說要提出報告不過到現在我們還沒有看到這個報告請民主黨說明這個報告現在在哪裡是提出來的時候 我有提出來所以這個虛偽人在當召委的時候 我有提出來 |
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許委員在的時候你有當召委你有提出來你可以看一下我的這個凍結案你就可以知道我的凍結案就是要求你要提出報告那你有提出來嗎從那個時候到現在從來沒有一個行政院的任何一位不要說你貴為秘書長啦連下面隨便一位聯絡人也沒有找過我針對這個解凍案要說明或是提出報告都沒有 |
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然後另外喔 因為我們就提出報告了有 我上面的 你看一下解凍案裡面有說你要提出報告喔所以您到現在還不曉得這個解凍案 您今天就要來解凍完全都沒有做準備啊 上面有說 而且您也承諾說要提出報告另外喔 再請教您就是 |
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我們在去年8月31號的時候我們通過了中華民國史上最高的2兆9248億的法定預算比113年還增加730億而行政院最近以落實財政紀律大砍地方性的補助27.3% |
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那引發各縣市強烈的反彈那也很多縣市可能也會提告那請問行政院對外宣稱這些所謂的一般性補助款屬於得補助的性質並非強制性的支出可是我們根據中華民國憲法第147條的規定中央政府應該謀求地方經濟的均衡發展也就是說行政院無故刪減地方補助不僅違反法律也是觸犯憲法 |
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而我們看到立法院通過的這個統三的決議你請您看一下有一般性補助款嗎有一般性補助款嗎民主黨請您回答 |
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在螢幕上這邊嗎對這個就是我們你們當時列出來的希望你們刪減的比例跟項目有一般性補助款嗎沒有沒有好不好你應該再來備詢之前就要了解清楚了結果你還要看半天才告訴我沒有第三項說要另於補助 |
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就是自行調整好 他說如三減數未達939億元那以這個比例是不是303億好 我們講的是總三減數喔那總三減數其實台電就1000億啦加上台電1000億不就1300多億了嗎其實就已經夠啦所以我不懂你們在糾結些什麼然後非要把它弄到一般性的補助款那個已經刪掉以後還要再往我們刪額外補足636億 |
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那636億如果有困難的話你是不是可以也是追加預算為什麼可以用一般性補助款來我們可以看一下報告委員我們第一時間就說自愛男性您看一下所以為什麼提出這個不是好秘書長您說這個一般性補助款的話具有裁量權是得補助不是應補助對不對您這樣講嘛地質法還有這個財政發問法荒謬的來了請秘書長看一下主計總處的網站 |
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您看一下喔114年度一般性補助款的編列情形表好我給您看一下內容您看一下這是主計總署所列出來的上頁主計總署所列出來的一般性補助編列情形表你們現在在網站上面還是寫著一般性的補助款是2501億元都沒有下架 |
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這是你們現在在主計總署的網站喔沒有下架所以我覺得你在玩兩面手法啊刪了還不敢跟證下架因為這是法律義務之初所以如果你刪了就是違法這是法律義務之初再給你看好是誰說是法律義務之初你知道嗎是你們卓榮泰院長請看下一頁我們看一下立法院第十一屆第二會期第一次會議議案的關係文書的第五項 |
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依貴院審查111年度的中央政府總預算所決議案另附具114年度的中央政府總預算案編列依法義務支出明細表一份好下一頁您可以看到一般性補助款是不是義務支出 |
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這是卓榮泰院長所發的這個公文所以這份公文是假的嗎這在我們立法院的關係文書上面一般性補助中央政府一定會補助地方政府但法律義務支出沒有說一定要補多少法律義務支出可以刪減嗎 |
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這個公然說謊嘛秘書長我覺得知錯能改我們一定會同意解凍但是你在那邊一直硬拗的話我覺得我們沒有辦法接受因為他明明就是法律一支出這也是你們卓榮泰院長卓榮泰院長發的這個立法院的關係文書所以這份公文是假的嗎主席總署的專委說明一下我先問你這份關係文書是假的嗎有卓榮泰院長發出的我沒有叫你回答 |
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民主黨 請問這份關係文書是假的嗎 卓文泰院長這個公文是假的嗎我不知道 我要再check一下什麼你不知道因為 因為要查證啊查證 好 那你要多久時間查證 |
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難道我會拿一個假的文書來去告訴你嗎你好好查證這表示國會到這種地步我覺得秘書長你真的非常非常的失職這當然是你們這個行政院長卓榮泰所寫的關係文書而且下面的明細表還寫著一般性補助款是屬於法律義務支出所以請 |
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秘書長不要再公然的說謊了因為其實我們地方上的這些政府他們真的很需要這個一般性的補助他們才能夠去做一些不管是社福還有一些教育類甚至一些基礎建設你現在無關的這個就減掉27.3%有些這個像不管是雲林還有一些比較窮的縣市苗栗甚至到了年底連員工的薪水都發不出來 |
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那雲林來說的話他砍掉了27.3%他的社福他的這個各項的建設根本沒有辦法進行那你用這樣的一個方式捅散27.3%讓地方成為政治的犧牲品這樣子是非常非常說實在不僅違法而且是沒有人道的方式所以請秘書長要跟院長報告三思而後行趕快懸崖勒馬謝謝 |