| IVOD_ID |
162019 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162019 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-28T10:32:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-28T10:42:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/75aba70f567c6f2429ca71219d6e52eed126c33bcaff1fd1a3426710e0a50eed634dde3ae9c7b0ff5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇巧慧 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:32:30 - 10:42:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：處理114年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算解凍案。） |
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謝謝主席 我們請米蘇長米蘇長好我今天好像是第九個質詢嘛那前面您已經回答了八個人米蘇長您上一次來這裡就行政院的預算就進行備詢的時候還記得是什麼時候嗎 |
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應該兩三個月嘛大概兩個多月之前我也忘記了好像很久了對但上一次的結果是什麼就行政院預算被大幅凍結甚至是刪除很多不然的話我們今天不用在這裡要來討論行政院預算解凍案吧對委員會全案保留到院會裡面被大幅的你知道行政院的預算被凍了多少刪了多少我們原來總共的預算是15億10億是人事費5億是業務費5億裡面 |
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被刪除了兩億五億裡面刪除了兩億然後凍結了五億就是今天要解凍的五億然後還有這個業務費他要求剩下的這個百分之七十要先凍結 |
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那你那時候有跟大家說跟這個國民黨和民眾黨的委員說這個會刪除的預算額度這麼高凍結的預算比例這麼高行政院會有至愛難行的部分下半年要怎麼做這些話你有講嗎沒有機會說明因為全案沒有討論實質討論啊你在外界有講嗎你在各個媒體上面啊或者有任何空間的時候你有講嗎有人聽嗎我們有一再的說明 |
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那你剛剛啊這個今天時隔三個月之後又來站在這裡剛剛聽到這個又是同樣當時凍結你預算刪除你預算的委員站在這裡講說行政院凍結刪除了地方縣市款的一般補助款這樣導致地方事務自愛難行你叫我們後半年的節目要怎麼做你的心情怎麼樣 |
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我心情 我們的這個這個好像是 比這個還要更高這兩邊好像這個如果把這個臉遮住換一下這個好像就是兩三個月前雙方的立場完全交換嘛這講的話一模一樣啊所以就是 |
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沒有一個政府沒有一個公務員會扶編預算爛編預算到一個需要被砍掉百分之三十四十甚至超過一半以上的嘛沒有公務員會編這種預算啊如果一個公務員編出了這種會被立法部門抓到辮子抓到有問題而有正當理由刪除百分之五十六十七十以上 |
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的行政部門的話那不管他是中央還是地方不管是哪一個政黨質詢那確實啊你如果被正當的刪有理由要被刪這麼多的話那你確實這個行政部門是有問題但你反過來講如果這是不正當不應該這樣刪除的話那這一個監督機關這樣子的腐爛刪除凍結超過一半以上的預算啊這不知道在做什麼啊 |
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這例子這樣的監督有道理嗎這是站在立法監督機關應該要有的表現嗎這個今天到底這個道理不正字明嘛你就把今天站在這個質詢台上同一批委員三個月前的談話和今天的談話拿來對照一下 |
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這不就是很清楚一個立法機關監督機關該做什麼表現該講什麼話他有沒有依以貫之完全一樣的道理啊不是這樣嗎這個民主黨你這個很想點頭啊但是又不好意思點頭因為怕頭點下去等一下不曉得行政院的預算可不可以被解凍是這樣嗎是是 |
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因為照理來講就是說我們行政院編列的預算每一個每一個項目每一分錢基本上都有他要做的事情那當然大院立法院可以針對說他的必要性給你適當的刪除但是他不能說很大的一筆要我們自己去刪除這個 |
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市長我覺得你應該試著用最白話的語言跟全國人民解釋我們今年你們今年編的你們編的明年的預算總數是多少3.1兆對不對那被這個在野黨委員藍白聯手煽動了多少2000億多一點2075億嘛現在全國都知道這個2075的數字嘛那在這個裡面他又要求你統三多少 |
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統三九三九億統三九三九但是這個統三九三九他也找不出來要刪你的什麼項目他就說你把重複編列的符亂編列的你自己去找啦你再刪一個六三六來啦這就是現在偉大的六三六這個數字嘛對不對好這個六三六你不知道要刪哪一塊啦請問你今天如果不是動一般的地方一般型的補助地方一般型補助那請問你要動哪一塊 |
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所以我們為什麼覺得很無奈就是在這裡這不然你就要動計劃型補助嗎這不然你要不要動法定義務之處要不要動公務員的薪水你就是買一塊餅就是這樣它就是一塊餅它就是一個人的身體要不你就砍左手要不你就砍右手要不你就砍右腳要不你就砍左腳反正總是要割一塊肉下來因為636實在太大塊了不知道要砍哪裡啊 |
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這不是指甲剪一剪這不是頭髮修一修這樣的問題而已這是要割下你一塊肉剁下你一隻手剁下你一隻腳所以你說如果當行政院當國家的整體預算被砍掉了這麼高額的話你整個人會失去了功能無法運作不是就是這樣嗎 |
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那今天你說按照你這裡寫的其實很清楚啊我們在看到你這個在對媒體上面講的時候其實講得很清楚啊你說你實在是負荷不了這個你實在是沒有辦法完成立法院的決議再去自行調整636億所以你找出了這樣子的一塊預算來然後呢你就按照立法院統三國家預算的態度把它統三百分之二十七嘛是 |
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是不是老實說我作為地方的民意代表我們也很痛啊我們真的很痛啊因為當藍白委員在砍國家預算的時候那只是一個數字大家沒有感覺但是當這個數字少了總預算編列回到地方縣市政府的預算當然就少了 |
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到地方政府的預算少了的時候你家旁邊的造橋、鋪路、水溝、電燈、教育、社會福利每一項都少了這就是跟人民切身相關的啊當藍白砍你的預算書數字的時候你沒有感覺當你家旁邊的水溝不通、路燈不亮當你的租金補貼沒有當你的育兒津貼沒有的時候你就知道 |
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對你的生活是非常有影響的而冤有頭債有主到底是誰砍的國家預算就是藍白委員啊今天怎麼還好意思在這裡跟大家講說行政院要砍這個預算當時我們抗爭了多久抗議了多久 |
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這到底是怎麼回事嘛所以行政院我真的覺得你今天就算就算這個今天等一下預算節都不順利你也還是應該要把整個邏輯講清楚國家的預算就是這麼多 |
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國家的整理預算就是這麼多今天沒有動到一般型的補助也會動到其他的預算每一塊都是人民的痛每一塊都會痛所以今天的源頭就是藍白亂砍預算我們非常非常期待 |
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今天藍白委員可以盼然悔悟正是反而他們不是行政院要對大家道歉是這些委員應該要到底為什麼之前會提這種案即便他現在來解凍坦白講很多也來不及了你知道很多在教育藝術文化的這些補助案 |
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因為當時沒有成立沒有預算來開這些案所以後面的計畫也都開不了了啊所以這些影視從業工作人員藝人從業工作人員整年的工作都大亂了啊收入也銳減啊這難道不是影響嗎這個今天這樣解凍案解了以後說欸我把立行預算案解了 |
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就OK了嗎工程的展延也已經展延了啊不要說別的那台電的補貼沒有下來我們電感地下化爭取了好久的所有的電感地下化每一頁都停住了啊那這個工期損失了三個月四個月算誰的這個是一句預算現在給你解凍啦這樣就可以了嗎 |
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577.042 |
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所以今天本席真的是不吐不快啦那我覺得秘書長一向是比較溫和偏偏君子所以抱歉今天沒有讓你多講話但是我講的話你應該都同意吧我是覺得秘書長我講的 |
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比較大家聽得懂今天就是看你要砍右手還是要砍左手還是要砍左腳還是砍右腳好啊不砍右手那接下來那你說嘛不然你就把663億吞回去就是這麼簡單謝謝秘書長謝謝 |