| IVOD_ID |
162012 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162012 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-28T09:32:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-28T09:43:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/75aba70f567c6f247843f53f9bf07495d126c33bcaff1fd1a3426710e0a50eed7fa58c9f4dc8bf975ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張智倫 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:32:23 - 09:43:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：處理114年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算解凍案。） |
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好 謝謝主席各位長官 各位委員大家早有請龔明欣秘書長好 秦秘書長 |
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張委員早 秘書長早首先還是要請教秘書長其實現在不管朝野的委員非常重視地方首長非常重視現在行政院把這個地方的一般性補助款給刪減了這地方的救命錢首先還是要跟秘書長報告立法院在114年度的通山決議案裡面他有寫說各項的項目要刪除特別民事要排除法律的義務支出所以一般性補助款不應該 |
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在這次行政院刪除的對象裡面而且這次行政院把直轄市跟各縣市一般補助款的科目扣減了百分之將近27.3%用來彌補差額這個本席非常的遺憾因為這是要苦地方 |
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那這是刪減了一些的衝擊包含一些教育補助、社會福利補助以及基本建設補助包含了兒少、婦女、長者、身心障礙者的福利都會受到影響尤其大家也非常關心行人安全、行道道路改善以及維護可能未來都會受到影響那我必須要跟秘書長講新北市有400多萬人全台灣最多人的地方行政跟建設的支出負擔沉重 |
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中央這次減少27.3百分比的一般性補助款新北市少了30億今年的預算比去年還要少會影響到教育、社福跟景銷的建設預算讓地方政府沒有辦法落實到照顧民眾的責任所以想要先請教祕書長請問這個我們當時的通山明明就已經有特別民視要排除法律義務支出了那請教祕書長一般補助款在您認為是不是法律義務支出 |
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報告委員我的想法跟你一樣也覺得對這件事情非常遺憾但是當這個中央總預算三讀通過的時候事實上行政院就第一時間就表達了你有來協商啊你有來協商可是當時有人請你趕快回去啊不是就是要我們自行刪減636億這麼額度大的情況之下 |
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這是過去從沒有的是不是請秘書長回應我們要就法律面來自立法院你認為一般性補助款是不是法律義務支出據我了解它不是法律義務支出那我是不是請今天有來主計處的人嗎來請主計處因為我之前在那個主計長當時在 |
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這個113年12月30號的時候那時候主計長有說這個114年的中央政府總預算稅出編列3兆1325億元為例依法其中依法法律預務項目包含各式人士各項機關人士費社會保險跟退府支出1兆8000多億元占58%均無法刪減這當時是這個主計長所提出來的 |
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那就您而言你認為一般性補助款是不是法定義務支出來請回答 |
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跟委員報告這個我們當初講的依法律支出其實是在我們在審預算的時候的過程當中先回應你覺得是不是在這個法律裡面是地制法跟財化法裡面是有規定說中央對財力較差的地方政府要給予卓於補助那所以他的法律確然有規定要補支出 |
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可是它的補助的沒有補助的標準跟數額對 它已經預算書上有寫要補助多少錢地方政府也在花了請問這是不是法定一物之出來 請你回答法律有規定要多於補助可是就是說沒有規定說它編列的數額是要多少所以在大學編列的數額已經預算書上都有寫了現在是刪除了已經有刪除這些的預算了我只是請教你一般補助款是不是法定一物之出可不可以回答 |
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他是我們在審預算過程當中我們在分類分四大類裡面我們為了審查預算我們有揮了一個叫依法律義務支出的一個所以你有回答是法律義務支出嗎是不是對是在審查預算過程當中好謝謝謝謝好所以秘書長好請秘書長所以秘書長 |
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這個可能還是要跟你報告一下這就是法律義務之初依法不能來刪減所以請這個行政院好好去想一想是不是應該要來做這樣子的事那最後這個有關於這個議題我來請教一下卓榮派院長說地方政府可以用稅計剩餘來去補這個刪除的一個部分 |
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可是地方首長也說很多縣市像新北市為例他現在沒有設計剩餘是還背負著非常多的累積虧損所以這個方法不可用那所以我要來請教一下現在很多地方首長非常不能建議我們全台灣的地方首長都非常不能接受這樣的做法有些首長提出將以提出溯源變跟中央追償這樣子的費用請問秘書長你有什麼看法是不是你有想說應該要懸崖勒馬來請回答 |
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法委員我剛才提到的就是說當這個三讀通過的時候我們覺得自愛難行我們提出複議然後也被否決然後現在提出...否決你也照當時你來政黨協商的時候是誰否決你啊好請繼續那就是說我們按照立法院的決議就是自行調整這個636億那我們在這個自愛難行的情況下現在的方法...那自愛難行你有沒有考慮說當時你內心有想法有沒有考慮要追加預算 |
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還是你就是想說要刪地方補助款你有沒有想說要最佳預算過 秘書長有嗎你當時來不就是想要你當時來市長協商的時候不是想要討論說最佳預算嗎那為什麼現在決定要刪地方補助款你的心境是什麼轉變的就算最佳預算也要行政院跟立法院有相互的溝通好所以行政院當時是想要最佳預算 是嗎 |
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這個我已經沒有忘記了還是害怕想起來 |
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好謝謝秘書長那我知道就希望說行政院還是要好好來有一些更好的解決方式啦好那第二個我要想問一下行政院過去的霸凌案去年不管勞動部跟行政院都有霸凌案那當時有三行政院我記得有三大霸凌案包含這個消保處公關處以及當時秘書處都有霸凌案那秘書處當時因為有來跟我解釋所以我相信現在沒有在調查中那我想然後公關處的部分因為處長 |
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現在因為身體不適也調離職位那我想要請教有關於消保處跟公關處的部分現在調查情況如何因為當時我相信已經從年初到現在已經五個月了我們現在沒有看到任何的結果我們需要說霸凌是要零容忍的是不是可以簡單講一下說為什麼關於這些霸凌案現在都沒有相關的調查結果來請回答總共有四件 |
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那其中一件成立,其他三件沒有成立?沒錯,就三件霸凌案嘛好,謝謝跟委員報告,剛剛講到消防處跟公關處的部分,我們從去年到今年一共只有四件霸凌案那霸凌案其實我們全部都已經處理完畢了 |
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然後有三件案子他們都沒有提出申訴,只有一件霸凌不成立案子,現在再提到保訊會的再申訴。您的意思是說沒有調查的反而提出申訴,三件有成立的。不是,我們全部調查完畢,也提到我們的審議委員會裡面的,已經確定了。已經確定了,那資料? |
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好 我們事後再提供給委員好 謝謝最後還有一件有關於地方建設請秘書長回答我們中和有一個國道3號中和交流道的改善工程你知道這件事嗎14.91的計畫這個計畫在去年的113年4月3號可行性評估就已經出爐了也核准了 |
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然後高空局在7月31號的時候建設計畫也送交到交通部那交通部在9月25號將本計畫交給行政院審查那國發會在113年的1月5號也送給行政院來審查意見結果本席在12月10號發函請行政院看說什麼時候可以核定因為當時我有質詢的時候有拜託不管是陳建仁院長或是左榮泰院長他們都回應我尤其是左榮泰院長回應我說在12月底 |
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可是本席在12月10號發文只有得到一張公文說競速審查完成結果在今年的5月19再次發文回了我一模一樣內容一模一樣一字未改的文也說將競速完成那我要跟秘書講講說這個說到的話要算數我希望行政院可以加速整個期程那本席這邊我看見有沒有這個表 |
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當時有個表也提出來說這工程規劃當時預計到達要完成的時間是在今年的上半年大概四月份左右現在已經五月份了已經延期了所以我希望說行政院秘書長這邊不要發給我永遠都是同樣的公文沒有任何的內容然後企圖說對地方的建設好像有所阻擋我覺得這是非常不好的狀況 |
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那你要跟秘書長再快速報告一下其實工程規劃跟設計作業是可以加速進行的尤其現在已經拖到設計作業的時間了會讓整個尤其建築師設計規劃的時間會縮短這對地方的建設非常的不利這也跟行政院院長當時說要積極來處理是違背的是不是請秘書長回答是不是現在行政院這是什麼樣的原因我想先聽聽看你的意見 |
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我想我們會按照那個回覆的文裡面兩次回覆都一模一樣的內容這都是你的章欸 你的章 關印欸你有看到這個內容嗎可以半年四個月回一樣的內容 一個字都沒有改我們盡速來辦所以要不要拜託地書長你要盡速來辦因為我這邊是有收到舉報啊說有人在故意在擋這樣子的地方建設的東西啊 |
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我今天先不把人民給透露出來我希望秘書長回去既然都已經承諾了事情而且這個設計款大概才兩千多萬是一個不要去擋地方的建設就是說我們當然是需要說這個地方建設不分政黨大家一起來努力好不好好 謝謝 |