| IVOD_ID |
161999 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161999 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-28T11:23:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-28T11:36:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/75aba70f567c6f24bbc0a336cf0cfae2afe3e41e2f2b0d3087f2bf784d93fc304482f4bba2738ffd5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅明才 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:23:29 - 11:36:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查「國際金融業務條例」8案：
(一) 本院委員沈發惠等18人、委員鍾佳濱等17人分別擬具「國際金融業務條例第十三條、第二十二條之七及第二十二條之十六條文修正草案」等2案。
(二) 行政院函請審議、本院委員李坤城等20人、委員陳菁徽等16人、委員郭國文等19人、委員羅廷瑋等17人、委員陳玉珍等16人分別擬具「國際金融業務條例第二十二條之十六條文修正草案」等6案。【本院委員陳玉珍等16人提案如經院會復議，本次會議不予審查】
二、審查「證券投資人及期貨交易人保護法」9案：
(一) 行政院函請審議、本院委員鍾佳濱等20人、委員李坤城等19人、委員沈發惠等18人分別擬具「證券投資人及期貨交易人保護法部分條文修正草案」等4案。
(二) 本院委員林楚茵等17人、委員王鴻薇等19人、委員郭國文等18人、委員賴士葆等32人分別擬具「證券投資人及期貨交易人保護法第十條之一條文修正草案」等4案。【本院委員賴士葆等32人提案如經院會復議，本次會議不予審查】
(三) 本院委員林思銘等18人擬具「證券投資人及期貨交易人保護法第十條之一及第二十條條文修正草案」案。【本案須經各黨團簽署不復議同意書】
【5月28日及29日二天一次會】） |
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自從川普的關稅大戰在那段時間台股突然 |
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急劇的下跌金管會提出了限空令那這段時間為期大概多久限空令已經解除了對整個股市未來的發展會如何那對於這個美國的關稅大戰下一次再引爆 |
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大概是什麼時候不曉得你們有沒有做一些沙盤推演那其實剛剛也很多人關注其實我們就一個我們已經算是國際級的資本市場了有限空令是例外回歸市場機制才是原則的狀態我想我們也盤點過去我們在過去針對特殊情況所做的一些的 |
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緊急的應應措施裡面大概就是一到三個月平均大概1.5個月這次差不多也差不多在兩個月之內我們就覺得說市場在這個階段並不是說未來不會有波動這大家都知道只是我們已經 |
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不像上次4月7號那個時候的狀態那我想我說盡快回復剛剛我也提到我就打個比方就是說我們出權久了酸軟無力我們在這個情況我們允許的情況我們先收回來隨時保持警戒我們才有下次出權的這個實力所以我的意思是說 |
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本來我們面對未來不確定就是個常態了那我們做過很多很多的模擬推估我們內部有很多的演練當然我們這些都是我們未來在市場監理的常態所以我們都會適時的提出一些因應的措施 |
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因為未來很難說就像我們每天大家都會看到有不同的國際情勢的變化但是我想大家也慢慢觀察到了大家已經不如4月2號面對相同的訊息大家的所能產生的穩定度跟韌性已經有點不同我想這也是我們這時候做這個決定是比較不一樣但我們絕對不會說我們會預知未來會發生什麼事情我們只能預知未來都是不可預知的我們才來做好準備 |
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我們可以發現台灣的股民最近好像喜善溫暖一下是暴跌一下又拉升其實這個心臟如果不好的其實最好不要投入股市做每日的當沖或者是短期的操作 |
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主委你正不正統就是民眾以長期持有為準那短期的操作其實就是參考參考就好換言之就是 |
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請教主委現在全台灣啊這個股民有開戶的啊大概有多少人經常的出入的戶頭有多少人大戶有多少你們手上應該有資料吧 |
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有 這個所謂的大戶要定義一下啦我知道我們現在的開戶數應該超過一千萬啦多少超過一千萬一千萬了對 應該是有超過我們待會 待會馬上請同仁準備一下數字跟委員報告喔 謝謝因為這個部分台灣的開戶比例算是蠻高的對就一般民眾參與 |
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我們的開戶數值當然是1343萬7千那這個已經過半了對 確實所以台灣民眾對於台灣證券交易市場的參與度 黏著度 關心度其實是非常高的這要看他交易的實質的實動戶還有就是他就是等於說這個是開戶數就像我們每個人手上都有好多的銀行帳戶你常用的其實可能沒幾個 對不對 |
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所以主委你正不贊同就鼓勵全民來投資台灣的股市這個我們從其他國家裡面的一個實施經驗比如說我們現在普遍的這個開發國家都面臨到所謂的未來少子化高齡化未來所謂的 |
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退休的壓力所以我們也看到很多國家從大概從2000年左右開始推動所謂的鼓勵全民長期投資資本市場的這樣一個促進措施就是我們各位聽到了很多的ISA就是個人投資儲蓄賬戶的概念我想越來越多的國家朝向這樣建立民眾第三資助的概念來做我想這也是當然投資這有風險我想說就好像 |
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我們也無法避免我們的資金總要有個投資的區域就像比如大家談到就是說我們是買基金或是買其他的這個這不同的種類但是我覺得就以投資風險分散的角度來看我覺得資本市場也是未來我們資產配置一個應該是要可以考慮的項目所以聽起來過去講養兒防老現在就是不如買股好 |
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就是在資產配置上如果持有適當的股票對於退休之後的一些規劃也是有所幫助那我們再來看一下就是這幾天講得沸沸揚揚的主權基金不曉得主委贊不贊同台灣來成立一個主權基金 |
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我在上次也有表達過這國家的政策呢我們當然盡管會立場我們當然是支持但是這部分我們就是覺得這個在這個時候如果需要的話我們比如我們金融市場其實也 |
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主權基金規模大概要多大? |
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這個當然要看啦因為我想主權基金這個概念有很多很多種形式有各種各樣的投資策略還有它成立的背景這很難用一個多大來決定說是適當因為比如說國家的規模跟目的性跟你的長期的比如說你的目標這都不一樣還有就是你的資金的屬性從哪裡來這就決定了它整個規模我想很難有一個標準來做這件事情 |
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大概我們看起來有的都是超過1.5兆以上全世界主權基金大概有90幾個國家都有設立主委你贊不贊同這些壽險公司可以把海外的資金把它引進回來來投入未來所謂我們要推動的國家的主權基金 |
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我剛才跟委員報告過就是說其實全世界受險公司都一樣他們最好的一個資產配置就是同幣別的配置比如他現在在台灣是賣台幣計價的保單他的負債是台幣那他們最好是在台灣能夠找到相對應的資產 |
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那這裡面假如它是長期的負債對應一個長期的資產現金流能夠匹配的話它就免除了利率風險也免除了匯率風險這是一個最完美的一個投資結構那我想說假設未來我們有更多的像類似適合比如說受險公司投資的工具我想其實我們的受險公司就會認真的考慮了所以說 |
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以後如果壽險公司他要來投我們自己推動的主權基金金管會的態度是正統的 |
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就是看未來他發行假設是用公債的形式的話我覺得我們現在公債本來就有是個投資的項目而且我們給的權數也非常非常低對不對那這本來就是我們講就像我們現在很多的這個我們的受險資金是投資海外的公司債目的都是一樣希望維持長期穩定的收益為主那如果說還是同幣別的跟他負債同幣別那當然受險公司當然會 |
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會有高度的興趣來看看這樣能夠讓他的資產負債匹配所謂的那個不匹配的程度能夠下降我想這也是一個大家希望樂見的一個發展方向所以你覺得主權基金的話他的每年的獲益應該是幾個百分比以上 |
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這個其實有很多的研究,其實主權基金本來也是承擔風險但他們所謂的投資的標的不同就像我們所謂的基金,你期待的報酬是多少不過長期而言,他們一定要有一個自己的目標設定這很難說,你的是積極的還是比較那個,像假設新加坡他有兩個,他的目的就不同 |
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比較積極性的大概一年的年報酬率是多少這我很難跟各位講那是簽證到你基金屬性投資什麼標的去年大概7點多%啦這個算是比較積極型的而且操作上也不錯挪威基金也做得還不錯所以你覺得最低最低的話不論你是投資型的或者是保守型的那總是要有一個低標嘛 |
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這個是未來我們假設我們設置一個主權基金他們會自己設定自己的目標剛剛委員提到像我們國際內大的主權基金其實在面對很多情況的時候它其實也會面臨到很大的波動很難講說能夠維持一個 |
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穩定的報酬不過長期這個都非常非常長期來看那主要是這樣像我們會看到一些成功的啦所以當然你會看到這個指標但是其實像剛剛我講那麼多的主銜基金也不是每一個都是成功所以我們很難有定一個標準那就看未來這個基金的屬性怎麼定義我想這部分自然會有可能還需要一段時間啦那希望大家再多多來研究一下看怎麼樣是否 |
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恰當因為最怕的就是一個獨立性的問題還有人謀不章的問題 |
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所以這個怎麼樣來公正當然聖地亞哥原則也是有一些遵循的目標我希望在推的時候主委也可以多發表類似國際的現階段的操作他們的嚴整性在哪裡他們成功的案例在哪裡可以多討論一下不過今天OIU OBOSU的這個部分國際金融業務我們希望可以加大力度 |
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因為事實上這個努力的空間還很大因為主委希望把台灣變成是亞洲的資產管理中心看起來還需要再加把勁因為最近看到很多台灣很多公司下市 |
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這也是透露了一些原因希望主委能多多關心一下上市很不容易就居然有很多的公司是下市下市影響公司 影響員工更重要的是影響了很多廣大的受害的投資人求償無門 |
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雖然沒有投保中心還有所有的股票本來明天的期待落空還全部通通變成幣值所以這一點要請主委多多關心剛剛也有委員關心我們會來持續針對這個狀況做一些監控跟管理謝謝好 謝謝明財接著請李昆城委員質詢 |
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那我們11點50分開放在現場用餐 |