| IVOD_ID |
161996 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161996 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-28T11:16:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-28T11:27:21+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/75aba70f567c6f24e89a8af3ca2473981b5ee1b3bf308d2e87f2bf784d93fc30bb574d15a1fc2d705ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:16:18 - 11:27:21 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
一、本院委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具「農民退休儲金條例第七條條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員郭國文等17人擬具「農民退休儲金條例第七條條文修正草案」案。(詢答)） |
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好謝謝主席小寶寶上台來我請這個農業部陳部長各位好 |
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部長辛苦了 第一個問題請教你就是說我們福島五縣市的食品包括農產品包括水產品都已經解禁 是去年解禁那他們農漁產品特別是福島五縣市進口到台灣目前的狀況如何我們有沒有還有相關的管制 |
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現在是等於說符合我們的相關規定都可以但實際的數量我現在沒有 手邊沒有資訊我會後再提供給委員輔導五縣市的部分對 已經解禁了就應該沒有任何的縣市讓他們輔導五縣市代表說安全無與沒有問題 |
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那過去中國是這個日本漁產品最大的出口國是那台灣在這個所謂五島五線式這個食品管制之前日本這個漁產品這個出口到台灣的狀況怎麼樣我真的是不是可以請那個副助長日本 |
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沒有 包 包 包委員這邊沒有把數字寄出沒關係 會後再提供給我那當然我們的魚產品也有日本需要這個比較喜歡的品項比如說 我說的石斑魚他們都接受 接受度蠻高那我們可以這個雙向來做更多的這個漁業 農業的合作我最近去拜訪日本國會跟幾個日本國會議員討論這個 |
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我去主要是針對台灣的CPTPP要請日本多加支持因為今年澳洲當了日主席國這是一個非常最重要關鍵的時刻那這個日本扮演非常重要的角色日本全力支持不然其他的國家 |
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大概也不敢太多的發言對我們會有幫助啦對如果他全力支持有全力支持跟這個意識性支持完全不一樣那當然他們是全力支持但是他們還是有一些抱怨就是說當初無線式這個食品管制台灣跟日本那麼友好但是我們卻對他們這個無線式食品管制我說那是因為公投 |
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因為有公投所以必須要有這個限制那我們也希望說基於相信科學相信科學所以我這部分先事後了解說從去年檢驗之後服務到我現在這個農漁產品輸入台灣目前的狀況怎麼樣我們會來統計然後再提供給委員有沒有可能加強採購呢是有沒有可能加強採購我想我們現在 |
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只要不影響到我們國內的農業生產就這樣石斑就好石斑其實有太多的日本通路商開始在洽群希望說能夠增加這個採購然後今年七月中旬大阪的這些食品展我想我們農業部也會組團再去針對重要的農產品做一個行銷雙邊是互惠的如果我們也跟他們多一點進口買一些然後他們也幫我們買一些他們對我們這個石斑他們也可以更多接受度 |
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好今天討論這個主題很重要那三保一金當然是對農民最最重要的照顧那我覺得照顧還是不夠那如果按照這個郭國文委員的版本就是從1倍到1.5倍整體預算評估大概增加 |
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15.5億你是用9萬人口還是用20萬人口因為你現在覆蓋率是49%嘛對不對你的覆蓋率49%那你這個他自己提撥是1%到10%對不對那你這個15.5億是怎麼計算出來的我們15.5億是依現在的人數去儲穀因為 |
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當你提高的時候是已經在提腳的你現在的出鍋是用49%對不對大概9萬多人口嘛那你如果符合資格應該是20萬左右嘛對22萬左右那你增加這個政府的這個提撥當然會增加誘因嘛所以人數一定會增加嘛我覺得是這樣15.5億啊甚至你到20億 |
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30億是對農民的照顧那你我覺得沒有必要再去跟其他的職業族群去做比較你用這個勞保跟這個農保我們農民領取老黃金貼加農退儲金的金額跟這個勞工領取勞保老年給付跟勞工退休金的金額我覺得比較基礎不一樣你這個農民領取老黃金貼加農退儲金大概多少人 |
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農民 農保是現在現在農保是85.3萬人但是65歲以下的是31.7萬人你有資格到最後領取可以領取大概實際上他農保就完全合格的22.3萬人不是 你最後呢可以領到農退儲金的最多就20萬22.3萬人 對所以並不是所有農民都可以領到這個這個每個月3萬8這種金額對不對是 |
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是少數大概不到四分之一實際從容的部分那勞工大部分都會領到三萬三左右所以你不能用這個比較的基礎說你如果提高到這個1.5倍所以這個倍數一定要提高至於說底倍1倍1.2 |
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1.5 1.7 兩倍我們都可以去討論那我覺得以你1.5倍作為基礎來看這個金額是增加不多那對農民的這個覆蓋率或者他的意願會增加 |
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我跟委員報告齁 我要先說明一下就是我們並沒有反對這樣的委員的提案那我們會做這樣的分析就是說我們要去向行政院申請經費的時候這個分析會有誤導啦並不是所有農民都可以同時領到勞農基金或農退儲金嘛大概只佔四分之一左右但是大部分勞工是可以領取他勞退基金跟勞農給付嘛我說的沒有錯吧 |
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你說你這樣會有點誤導說如果增加到1.5倍那可能跟勞工的差距會變得更大我還是強調一下我們做這樣的分析就是說我們要先找到一些差異性未來當做 |
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跟行政院在做爭取的時候的一個論述所以因為行政院考量的一定是我剛才的論述是可以提供你去跟行政院爭取而且這金額才15.5億金額是不多以重大建設來講你也承認說不多再多的照顧都是應該的因為農民是相對弱勢他們老年之後 |
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這生活的這個保障很重要對 影響衛生保障當然越多越好你說你覆蓋力還不到五成 對不對你1.5倍 基本上增加你所謂的15.5億但一定會提高覆蓋率嘛是好 不然你要40 到 比方說到23萬滿額的話 全部都有覆蓋的話 |
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真的能夠兩筆都可以提都可以領到也大概只有三分之一左右我跟委員報告我們除了委員的版本以外我們會去做好好的規劃然後再加上我剛才提到的就是說怎麼樣減輕農民負擔在同樣的進而之下農民提繳的可以少繳一點政府再多繳一點保障一樣然後另外一個更重要就是還沒有加入的我們想辦法有困難的地方我們怎麼樣讓他加入這整個方案我們會做一個包裹來跟行政院報告 |
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另外我第三個問題請教老榮今天的調整老榮今天調整的依據跟頻率當然相對於其他職業別比方說軍工教育月退跟勞保年金等等我們目前是四年調整一次對不對根據CPI 前一年的CPI |
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但是為什麼不能比照比較優惠的這個軍工教育月退你CPI增長率達正負5%的時候調整或至少每四年檢討一次這個問題是不是可以往這個方向去思考呢我跟委員報告我們農業部的版本已經提到農業行政院去了包括CPI現在每四年調整一次的時候如果這四年中你的CPI超過一定比例的時候也可以啟動調整這是我們的 |
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那另外排富的部分我們也將所謂的所得的部分從50萬也適度的提高他的財產從500萬有沒有也適度的提高還有自住所得房屋的部分也提高這個部分我想我們委員都有非常多的多的一些建議太過消極太過保守這個照顧也不夠你看從101年到114年這15年間從7000塊到8110塊對不對是 |
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但你這個整體最低生活費是暴增了幾倍 暴增了1.5倍你從台灣省來看 台灣省五都之外從1萬塊到1萬5 增加1.5倍那你從7000塊搭8000塊是增加幾倍 很有限 |
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所以你要應該以這樣做比較在你的方案上面能夠更好提出更好的方式來照顧老農老農今天能夠有更多的對老農有更多的照顧這個八千塊我覺得這十年才剩下一千多塊 |
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這個對農民是沒有辦法交代我想委內意見我們也會再把它做一些納入我們現在已經針對CPI的調整時間包括排富的部分我們已經做了一些建議了那至於說他的那個調整跟他的生活所得的比例也要盡量要一致化這個部分我想我們也可以把它納入另外住宿代表處有沒有農業組的編制我們有 已經成立了農業組 |
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去跟國會做一些說明他們很在乎啊我只要說提到CPTPP說我們支持但是你們之前這個福島五縣市時評他們覺得有點難過他們有點難過畢竟已經過去了你要把整個原委說明清楚我想我們把這個部分重新整理以後再去跟日本的國會透過農業組去做一個說明對 去做一個說明好 謝謝委員的提醒 |
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现在请郭国文 |