| IVOD_ID |
161978 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161978 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-28T10:25:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-28T10:37:16+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/75aba70f567c6f24d990f4bb0bcb05071b5ee1b3bf308d2eb291a8f6a096732c75542754bc7705995ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:25:15 - 10:37:16 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
一、本院委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具「農民退休儲金條例第七條條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員郭國文等17人擬具「農民退休儲金條例第七條條文修正草案」案。(詢答)） |
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謝謝主席 楊全發言 邀請部長陳部長喂好 |
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我們來討論這個老農津貼因為本席有提案我們老農津貼呢排庫的條款14年沒有檢討但是到目前為止我們看到長期的通貨膨脹以及公告地價房價上漲不少實際上他真的生活有困難的老農也因為這樣的原因非他所願那僅因土地增值而喪失了勤領的資格 |
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那导致什么呢?帐面有地 |
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實際無資源帳面有地實際無資源的矛盾之境所以農業部雖然你有說了我們的排付條款排付條件是比其他的社府寬鬆一點但是曾經在107年修法放寬的條件根本沒有辦法去解決因為物價以及地價所變化所帶來的自動失格 |
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自動失格所以會導致整個制度的失衡跟民怨串起所以本席首先要請教部長本席所提出的老農津貼暫行條例的第四條修正條文當中您是不是支持 |
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由原先我們大概是現在限定是500萬那這個應該要有所提升也就是因應剛剛本席所說的他因為房價上漲公告地價上漲導致形成了帳面有地那實際無資源導致自動失格的這個情況那你是不是支持老農今天應該要與時俱進來保障老農 |
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的一個晚年生活請說明我想基本上農業部的立場是支持這樣子的一個排布條款的修正當然那整個排布條款大概分為幾個部分一個部分就是所得的部分一個部分是財產的部分另外一個部分是你唯一自住房子的金額的調整所以你目前設定的五百萬 |
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14年沒有修 這個有討論空間嘛 對不對絕對有 那你要趕快支持啊本學提案啊 暫行條例第四條啊不是 我想我們在上個會期本身我們就有把我們的方案送到行政院去 |
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那行政院在上個會期的時候曾經討應該是在113年的2月份去年嘛去年就是520以前啦現在進度到底到哪裡那我們把我們的方案送到行政院那行政院那時候初步的討論是說要跟八大社務同步啦那我們是希望我們的情況跟社務不一吧所以你從去年2月 |
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到現在進度呢沒有因為最後的核定我想我們還會跟行政院做積極的爭取包括我剛才說的因為整個公告的價格有沒有現值已經有調升了嘛那我們這個部分應該排富的部分應該也要從500萬可以拉高看要拉到700或者800那這個 |
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數目是可以 本期提案800萬嗎沒有 我覺得這個是本期的提案然後還有就是鎖的部分部長 我也知道本期也知道你對於農業你是全力以赴的支持但是你要有方法啊你從去年的二月份送給行政院到現在超過一年了 |
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一年將近要三個月了那我們怎麼辦你不能只有嘴巴說我支持啊你現在是農業部長欸你怎麼樣跟行政院要支持你啊我們都支持你啊支持農業啊行政院也非常重視這個訊息非常重視這個訊息一年多沒給答案我們基本上因為這個考量到還有其他社會的同步請問接下來要怎麼做 |
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接下來我想我們會請專案報告給卓院長這邊了解什麼時候專案報告給卓院長送到行政院二月份到現在一年三個月我們會盡快的聯絡下個禮拜送 |
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我們已經送進去行政院了基本上我們會安排跟院長做專案報告然後看看其他的社福的什麼時候安排專案報告哪有一個行政效率一年三個月還沒有答案我們會努力來安排時間啦多久會安排我上禮拜就開始在安排啦你上禮拜安排喔你下禮拜就緊緊啊我相信很快的就是你相信很快我還再一次相信你的很快 |
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因為時間不是我決定的但是我們有在做這件事情我們要積極啦我們沒有辦法管控別人管控自己一年三個月我們得不到答案我腦農多可憐自動失格是因為你房價上漲是因為你公告地價上漲所以他實際上生活是有困難的 |
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趕快加油 是我期待下個禮拜能夠看到聽到你的專案報告給我們答案 好不好接下來本期要請教農業金庫的問題5月21號媒體也給你報導了我們一兆的錢一兆的錢六成來自於我們的農漁會但是我們的董建市會15席裡頭11席是你政府指派 |
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出六成的人只有五席有一點失衡所以本席具體建議我先跟委員報告這個資訊本席具體建議可以再來調整很多人會怕說是不是有政治力的介入我不希望看到這樣子所以第一個等一下題目先講完第一個席次可以來做討論有討論的空間讓它能夠均衡 |
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第二個 本席要請教因為很多人怕說會有政治力的影響所以 部長你有沒有討論 言議是不是得以讓第三方的監督力量進來可以讓他更加的中立更加的透明因為我們知道說 |
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政府 尤其農業部長您我是非常敬佩您我絕對支持政府要輔導我們的農業轉型在現階段是非常非常的重要農業轉型之後還要再跟這個國際來接軌 |
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因為都是地球村跟國際來接軌所以有更透明更苛責的這個制度絕對對我們的農業轉型跟世界接軌它絕對更有幫助換句話說這兆元的資金能夠更有效的用在我們農民農業所需請說明 |
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第一個 您這邊講到說只有五席來自農業會其實在15席 董事裡面有九席那農業部的關股的部分我們也有兩席是由農會來的然後獨立董事裡面的五席當然啦 那是你派的啊雖然他是農業 但是你派的啊對不對所以基本上這個就是您講的就是說你去討論好不好我希望的是資金出的人是六成那我們要怎麼樣去均衡 |
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讓制度不失衡這是重點第二個本席請問你的是不是同意讓我們的造園資金可以更公開透明所以換句話說地方第三方的這個監督機制得以去研議加入我想讓整個的一個 |
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執行面的部分做更該透明 我絕對同意那剛才委員也特別提到因為農業金庫是我們的很多農業的方案的一個合法的這個單位所以不應該有太多的政治力介入 |
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那這個部分就是說就是人民在監督不希望來對但是相對的你看嘛我們現在的公股的董事長他是一個專業經理人那用專業的方式去經營農業經股是我們農業部要求的所以你更可以同意讓第三方監督機智進場嘛對有一些更公開的部分去做處理你去研議啦你去研議方案怎麼樣我們的目標公開透明很重要對但是不希望說去調整到他的在接下來本席最後一個議題請問 |
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我看到我們的社群裡頭媒體報導有這個動物收容所的管理員他把狗灌水 |
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掃餵食然後他說他因為他怕狗他不想掃大便所以他這麼做他自己承認我們台灣社會怎麼會有這樣的一個現象產生呢所以我們從機制面來看收容所的人員的遴選跟工作配置是不是應當要有訓練要有專業要有適任性部長是不是應當要如此 |
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我絕對同意你絕對同意 接下來本席再跟你說這樣子的一個情況那發生了這個調職那你後續要怎麼做所以本席具體建議請教部長面對這樣子的缺失 |
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你的監督機制在哪裡你整個全國性的聘任最重要本席強調的訓練機制你要怎麼做你是不是還有國會走來走去你的跨縣市的一個監督機制跟集合懲戒你是不是應該去研討你至少要保障動物最低的一個保障嘛這是基本條件嘛要怎麼做 請教 |
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委員上次質詢也提到這樣的一個案子那其實我們也遵照委員的建議包括在職訓練要怎麼樣更落實那怎麼還會這樣子的情況發生呢這個聘任制度要怎麼樣去確保然後還有就是說 |
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當你在做這個事情的時候你根本不知道他真正對動物的愛心或是行為當你有愛心的話絕對不會做這件事情所以遇到這種事情的話那些懲處不只是吊詞我覺得應該有更嚴謹的回歸到動保法的相關的處罰條例那這個部分我們已經在做專案的時候因為還要跟各縣市在做一個比較有效的做專案的處理發生事情我們必須該當權責要怎麼去理清楚 |
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第二個是本席也非常重視的也就是發生了這個事情我們要盤點一下我們的訓練機制到底夠不夠這個很重要你把你們訓練的機制方式以及成效這個成果一份書面資料給本席本席不希望再看到這樣的一個事情一定要落實好 謝謝 |