| IVOD_ID |
161969 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161969 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-28T10:01:40+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-28T10:15:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/75aba70f567c6f24598161407389baa31b5ee1b3bf308d2eb291a8f6a096732ca776b5aef8effbec5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:01:40 - 10:15:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
一、本院委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具「農民退休儲金條例第七條條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員郭國文等17人擬具「農民退休儲金條例第七條條文修正草案」案。(詢答)） |
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請問陳副長陳副長各位好 保定好 端午節要搞 祝大家端午節快樂保定端午節搞 你知道現在買起來肉粽要多少錢 |
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看是不是有品牌沒品牌那平均如果在一般的傳統市場買可能大概50塊60塊如果說你在店家買有沒有買來吃的可能都上百塊然後大一點小一點所以它的價格那傳統市場買的話可能更便宜大概30幾塊 |
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都要保證對肉粽一定要了解啦,因為裡面豬肉嘛對不對,香菇啦,鹹鴨蛋,這個都跟你有關的對啊,看不同地區包的粽子是不一樣的啊,價錢要查太多,不然人家說你吃米不知道米幾,吃肉粽不知道肉粽幾我本公司特別去查,其實現在一個肉粽,你如果在北部啊,基本款稍微沒有很多料的,大概都要65塊了 |
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那稍微好一點點大概七十五,當然飯店你講的都上百塊的當然正咖南部有稍微便宜一點,不過大概五十五塊都跑不掉我現在講這個,就表示端午節這個巴掌比去年是真的漲價了至少漲了大概五到十塊錢那裡面有個特別我今天要問你的,跟你有很大關係你掛保證說滴巴端午節不會起價嘛對不對 |
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我看你很有自信啊,你去接受訪問宣布這個超大好消息,說台灣主要外銷到日本嘛,這種要經營,這是農業部也是台灣一個很重要的事情,這是喜事啦。我另外看你說,你保證當有一個地板,價格不會亂漲,你有去注意到它的價格漲了沒有?它的價格現在在95到100之間在浮動,還是在浮動,像今天97塊。來來來,我給你看。 |
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今年過年的時候 叫九年 一樣都過年來比啦九年 二月過年嘛 那時候一公斤的豬肉 八十七塊三角 漲了多少 |
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漲了11.5塊錢同樣都是過年啦去年的過年比較近年我們過年的時候 大家比較一下去年的過年在2月份嘛 今年在1月份從87.3 漲到98.7啦漲了11塊多喔 真的幅度是蠻大的喔好 那這裡人家過端午啦我辦公室就去清查 你看來咧去年的端午節是在六月九十點七二嘛這幾天我們的豬肉的價格一公斤 |
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已經漲到97.21%了漲了6.5%我跟委員報告委員也是來自於農業縣那其實我們在考慮剛才你的角度是從消費的角度那從農民的角度我一定考慮他的成本 |
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像您剛才講的在2月份的時候87.3元跟95元但那個時間點其實我們的飼料飼料的價格也變高了所以以農委會來講就是我們會去期待的空間從早期的75到85、85到95現在是希望說它能夠至少在這段時間是95到100之間但是我們長期來講是85到95之間是一個比較合理的 |
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所以我期待就是說他雖然說年節有貴一點但是農民整個粽子裡面有稻農他們希望的米有豬肉他的豬籠還有鴨蛋的鴨籠那這些其實他們就是靠他們沒有所謂的年終獎金他們就是靠在過年過節的時候可能有一點點的高一點對他們來講就是一個福利啦所以以農業部來講我們覺得這個價格是一個合理的一個區間 |
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對啦 當然 讓消費者 一般的民眾不要買不起粽子或覺得太貴啦 這是第一點嘛而且當然 農民也要顧得到啦所以我今天給你看 就是說老實講 像去年 像過年喔 老實講 幅度真的大了一點11塊多 我不反對要漲啦 當然也要照顧到啦可是幅度不要那麼大 波動不要太大這一次是要漲了11%第二個 今年我現在統計的是到現在 這點可能還在漲 |
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注意一下啦 當然如果是6.5%可能還好啦不要破百啦 如果那個真的97.21%如果破百的話 真的所以我剛剛講的95%-100% 我們希望大概這個95%到100%之間注意一下不要破100% 當然豬籠的農民我們都要照顧不要破100%好 另外一個今年第一波又另外一個問題就是剛才講的澳洲的這個豬肉啦 |
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你澳洲你檢查出來那個那些豬肉啊 70噸他現在流到哪裡去 應該不會包到粽子裡面去吧不會齁 這有控制嗎 |
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以我們農業部來講我關心的是台灣的豬肉那這些進口豬肉本身它是以衛務部來管的它有相關的一個追蹤系統但是第二個我還是要跟委員說明就是說從國外進口的任何國家進口的豬肉我們國家都會嚴格的把關去符合我們國內所定的標準 |
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那相關的這些萊克多巴胺也有一些國內的制定的標準那一定是在這個標準內符合這樣的一個規範才能夠進來的所以一定是安全的現在就是剛才說的嘛90%以上的民眾裡面那個瘦肉精不只要標示啦流向要清楚嘛今天特別提出來問的原因就是現在端午節要搞就是又滴肉就一定硬著嘛對不對怎麼避免他跑到粽子裡面去 |
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這個要追一下 要追一下喔對啊 那我們農業部付錢就是供來的豬肉我一定給供來的豬肉充足的充分的去供應我們國內的需求這是我們農業部的責任你不知道那個澳洲那個豬肉到底後來有塑膠精流到哪裡去我想這個是衛福部在主管的我們 |
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因為權責的關係嘛我剛才說我只負責國內的豬肉要滿足我們國內的需求你可能要問一下啦我會進一步再去問一下你流行到哪裡去了好不好不要再吃掉了90%的民眾都危險不過基本上他是安全的才能夠讓他進來這個要讓消費者知道啦 |
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含有萊劑的它只要符合相關的我們的一個殘留標準的話它進來是安全的不要誤導說萊劑就是毒啦我覺得這個以我學自然科學的角度來講它應該是國內政府一定會把關這個部分我想我們一定會再跟消費者多宣導現在就是做兩個嘛第一要把關嘛第二要標示清楚嘛對不對所以我們要問流向嘛所以第一個我們要堅持要繼續標示第二肉炸一口所以要去追一下那流向好不好 |
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好來 那有點時間我給你 這個是算我們超大的喜事嘛因為部長 台灣豬最近就可以銷到日本了這樣子齁 我們其實豬有三大疫病一個是傳統豬瘟 一個是非洲豬瘟 還有一個是口蹄疫那傳統豬瘟 像日本一定要這三大疫病都沒有了才能夠去跟他申請 不是自動就可以輸出啦 |
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那像菲律賓他覺得認為我們乾淨了我們就可以直接生鮮了嘛新加坡也是所以我們大概其實我們已經被WHO就確認了那我們在6月初我想我們會正式的對外公開我們是三大預期這個我想委員都在農業間都知道這是一個喜事那接下來就是我們怎麼樣好好的利用這樣的一個優勢去跟 |
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日本市長因為日本市長早期對我們的豬肉他的價位蠻高的對農民來講也是一個增加他收入的來源包括其他的國際行銷那這個部分我想我們會持續來努力那也謝謝委員的關心這很大的啟示讓國人知道我們的豬肉要外銷了連日本我們都要銷到日本去了這很大的好事情謝謝部長現在農業部最近做了一個重要的事情就是要 |
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做這個光電啦光電要審查農業用地變更以後作為那個太陽光電設施的使用涉及到生態的做一個指引嘛對不對我要特別強調第一老兄光電我們已經推了9年了現在才開始做這個指引老兄說有錢人忙有錢人忙了啦有點在補破網就是光陽補牢所以速度要加快 |
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我想生態指引不只是為了光電還有所謂的開發案我們希望這開發案有一個很好的生態指引以前就是沒有很明確的指引的時候會造成很大的爭議所以我希望說這個指引能夠讓我們的生態永續前提之下能夠兼顧到一些公共建設的開發或其他的產業開發太陽光電不只產生了很多這個弊案你看光是檢察官起訴的案子超過100件然後你看破壞那個農地 |
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是非常嚴重的有很多專家跟媒體他們在統計喔你看看說被光電消失的西海岸面積有多大欸真的很驚悚1.3個台北市的這個面積那裡面老實講很多都是農地我把黃色的框起來不地耕作的地區低地利的這個土地一電共生還有台南這很多土地全部都是農地喔 |
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所以農地要怎麼保護到農地然後第二個怎麼照顧到我們農民這個要很加油我也可以很明確的報告以農業部的立場來講我們一定會保護我們的農地那農地在處理其他的方案除了產業開發結合的時候兩個方式一個是農許嘛那農許我們也是會嚴格看他的經營項目另外一個是變耕 |
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那變更的部分它有它特定的條件而且必須經過區委會同意那以現在來講我們現在變更大概1726公頃那我們針對很容易被拿去兩公頃以下很容易被亂搞所以我們兩公頃以上我們餘力不準除非很特殊的情況所以這個部分 |
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過去也大概有將近780公頃左右那這個部分就鎖住了以後不會再有2公頃的部分那大型的開發一定會進到區委會那區委會會有一個的審查所以以農業部來講我們一定會保護我們的農地做最好的一個利用 |
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部長我上個月有跟你要資料啦結果你回的其實我剛剛講了嘛現在農地變更了有做光電的1726公頃嘛對不對對那漁電共生的是2620公頃差不多嘿對你有看見沒有是人家專家學者你看 |
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上萬耶沒有啦,沒那麼多因為我們是一筆一筆統計的有一些是屋頂型的喔很多像蓄設有沒有蓄設上面的屋頂你如果把它鑽進去當然很多啦但是蓄設本身它不會因為你蓋了屋頂而影響到它的農地利用這個部分要拿掉啊 |
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部長我們更精準的去算好不好你給我的看起來跟那個一些專家寫者去算的落差有點大所以你能不能用剛剛講這個整個名目你說埔地耕作區的地利率的這個土地多少給我一個比較精細的好不好會 我們會給你一個比較精細的最後我再問一下 因為時間也到了我最近這兩三個月在注意這個餘電共生我一直問你幾個月了你前面會答應我現在要去查餘電共生上面那個氣溫 |
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本來它上面蓋的光電只能四十,它現在一百趴那個你說一個月...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我... |
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它並不是餘溫它可能是有的是是等於說積水有沒有它是不利更多的積水所以這個部分我們一定會去清查如果不合法的話我們一定會主動的去跟人員去處理部長我這邊有非常具體連地號都有我等一下再拿給你對像這兩個地方在台南就是地方我等一下會給你好不好 馬上處理裡面四個地號我們查了基本上都是合法的因為申請 |
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光電的面積跟他蓋的是40%對不對但是他蓋的時候可能在 |
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在那個餘溫的時候可能會有點集中的情形所以讓你覺得說好像超過了40%但是它整體是合法的這個部分我想我們會整理整理完以後再聽我質詢 還有我要給你的是不只超過40% 虛化地面100%都蓋了啦對 但是它地目申請是符合它在其他地方整體的它40%可以可是餘溫上面就一定是40%嘛 對不對 |
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農民的潛力一定要顧得上 |