| IVOD_ID |
161966 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161966 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-28T09:54:06+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-28T10:07:54+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/75aba70f567c6f244e00caa42d581c06afe3e41e2f2b0d30b291a8f6a096732ceabdaf21c288ba395ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:54:06 - 10:07:54 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查「國際金融業務條例」8案：
(一) 本院委員沈發惠等18人、委員鍾佳濱等17人分別擬具「國際金融業務條例第十三條、第二十二條之七及第二十二條之十六條文修正草案」等2案。
(二) 行政院函請審議、本院委員李坤城等20人、委員陳菁徽等16人、委員郭國文等19人、委員羅廷瑋等17人、委員陳玉珍等16人分別擬具「國際金融業務條例第二十二條之十六條文修正草案」等6案。【本院委員陳玉珍等16人提案如經院會復議，本次會議不予審查】
二、審查「證券投資人及期貨交易人保護法」9案：
(一) 行政院函請審議、本院委員鍾佳濱等20人、委員李坤城等19人、委員沈發惠等18人分別擬具「證券投資人及期貨交易人保護法部分條文修正草案」等4案。
(二) 本院委員林楚茵等17人、委員王鴻薇等19人、委員郭國文等18人、委員賴士葆等32人分別擬具「證券投資人及期貨交易人保護法第十條之一條文修正草案」等4案。【本院委員賴士葆等32人提案如經院會復議，本次會議不予審查】
(三) 本院委員林思銘等18人擬具「證券投資人及期貨交易人保護法第十條之一及第二十條條文修正草案」案。【本案須經各黨團簽署不復議同意書】
【5月28日及29日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 今天去拜這麼多題目我們請彭主委還有護睡署的署長好 請彭主委跟護睡署 宋署長宋署長 謝謝 宋署長先請教那個主委好了你這個前面 肉肉都講一堆好幾個委員的提案 |
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國際金融業務等等一堆的提案主要就是我們要打造亞洲資產管理中心給他免稅嘛對不對他原來就有啦 只是說那個期限到了期限到了齁 現在OVU是沒有期限啦 |
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OIU是早期是哪期限OIU是117年期限到了就是它在三年後到期OIU呢是今年到期已經到期了今年二月到期希望在年底以前還來得及年底以前什麼不是 它可以追溯因為那個報稅是到明年報好 那我請教那個署長 受署長這樣子稅數有多少啊 |
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就是根據稅稅執行評估報告,這是有金管會提供的我記得是金額不大,應該是幾百萬而已因為他們的最初還有所謂最終以及他們用同樣的方式如果要達到效果,他們直接支出需要更多所以你們要建期權 |
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樂見其成我們敬表尊重敬表尊重 你們是幾百萬 一百萬 九百萬沒有 主要是跟委員報告 就是過去我們的這裡不算稅喔 這裡是營所稅 營業稅 運挖稅 所得稅 |
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規模會誇大多少? |
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這部分我們不好預期預期預期 你預期一下我覺得我上次給保險局的一個想法預期漲5倍好不好漲5倍我們給的稅市支出就是未來的估計每年稅損大概是600多萬而已對 漲幾倍業務會漲幾倍如果漲幾倍就非常可觀因為我們去年其實我們總共才多少 |
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我們的...我記得是...我記得你很低啊!張哥五倍也差不多啊!張四倍也差不多啊! |
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長10倍我覺得假設我們今年 超過10倍如果說以去年那麼低的基期我覺得應該是很有機會 超過20倍如果說以去年那麼低的基期 今年的話因為我們已經公告會開放新的產品 超過20倍啦 這樣稅損我們支持啦稅損省了600億 超過21的規模 不是21啦 好 那個署長可以了 請回 署長請回 |
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我們來看 壽險業這波的台幣升值傷害很大它總共你看到的報表 |
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他的虧損有多少?受險業其實跟委員報告一下其實很好估計啦我們現在受險業37兆的資金裡面有23兆在海外剩3兆扣掉7兆多是外幣保單不用有匯率的問題裡面大概15兆15兆裡面大概六成避險六成避險除以下就是剩6兆美元 |
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就是6兆台幣2000億美元左右所以一塊錢的這樣那個漲跌就是差不多總體約略估計2000億的影響數 |
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六兆兩千億 兩千億怎麼算啊六兆等於是兩千億美金 對所以說美金跟台幣差一塊錢差不多 譬如說台幣貶值一塊錢他就 就是未實現損益這樣的話所以剛才原來講的數字差不多就外匯市場差了兩千億 就虧損兩千億對 扣掉了那個外交準備資料我就請問你喔 這個 這個 |
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這個公衛啊,他們希望說這裡面計價,RPC的計價,過去都是六月底嘛,一個數字啊,一個點,對不對?現在他們有要求,有拜託,希望能不能用均價,比如說過去的半年內的均價來算,這樣的話,財務報表比較好看一點。 |
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你覺得怎麼樣但是柯文報告軍價是一個非常非常中性的做法其實我們以前那個我們現在RBC的股票就是用軍價就是說假設我們市場是緩跌的時候你會覺得軍價有利但是往上走的時候軍價是不利的我想這是一個中性的我現在就問你的立場你贊不贊成軍價我覺得 |
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因為昨天在我們的記者會我會表達就是我們要維持市場的穩定是我們很重要特別是我們明年要接新的制度這RBC只剩半年的效期啦RBC接下來就會走入歷史了所以我們RBC走入歷史換成換成新一代清償能力所以我們新的制度所以這部分我們昨天也有對外說我們會會來仔細的思考工會這個東西他們的建議我們以穩定市場 |
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順利過渡為優先沒有啦,我聽不懂啦贊成還是反對啦,你們說什麼我覺得這個方向我們已經正在研議中啦贊成什麼時候可以出來這個因為它有一個比如說我們是要半年報嘛所以今年來今年來講的話我們接軌之前最重要的時間點就是6月30號這個半年報的財報因為到12月31號那個點已經要換成新的制度了所以6月30給他 |
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6月30號的報表應該就會有這個答案所以現在還不能這樣對 因為現在還要經過工會他要給我們一些的數值但是你傾向於同意可以這麼說好 這個就是說主委的意思傾向於同意那麼可以考慮 不需要丟點就是用平均值 |
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為什麼要這樣做?其實就像我們當年當時考慮股價為什麼用在RBC的時候為什麼要用這套制度因為其實真的6月30號那個時間點並不代表它只是一個結帳我們看經常能力是看長期的我覺得這是一個課長思考 |
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請教你 今天雖然財政部相關官員國庫署長不在 今天只是負稅署長我就不問他了行政院已經正式的對外講了要設立國家主權基金這個賴總統親自對外宣布的 |
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然後呢 因為央行堅持不可以用 無償使用外賣存地所以政運也善於回應了 所以有潮那出錢的人誰出錢 當然財政部 財政部長在這裡的時候他跳起來沒有問題 財政部撿到錢錢 稅收無存幾千億不夠嘛 那幾千億算什麼 你說稅收都來放主權基金 |
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一個方式發行主權基金公債這個點是好不好我想剛剛委員提到一個重點其實主權基金這個概念在不同的國家有不同的財源說像最有名的像挪威這是大家都知道它是石油嘛它是因為它開採在北海的石油它所那個財富它把它做成這個那也有人採用公債的方式用債券的方式發行 |
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那我想說這部分我們尊重相關全責部會的這些思考我只是說假設從我們這個金融市場的資金的這樣的一個投資的去向來講的話確實長期穩定而且具有一定收益的公債會是一個尤其是以台幣計價的公債會是我們現在所顯現的很重要還有一個周恩雲雲我們的資本市場老實說只有股票市場發展的還可以我們債券市場都是一塌糊塗 |
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多發行公債這個時候此其時也我們要發行主權基金錢怎麼來向老百姓來啊中華民國這麼用到對不對來用老百姓的錢用老百姓的錢20年以後還你利息看多少這是一個很好的而且可以把公債市場活絡起來一起好取得啊怎麼看都是對的 |
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其實我們也有去跟授權業者了解他們的需求他們確實以他們資產負債管理來講的話他們真的需要有更多的台幣投資機會所以才講說像我們的兆元投資計畫所以我就是問你啊你會不會鼓勵授權公司鼓勵他買主權基金公債 |
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其實我們是鼓勵了他要做好資產負債管理這是最根本那如果這是個好標的當然就是一個我們很好的一個國資我告訴你這麼賺到啊賴清德跟我這麼賺到啊要去美國投資啊對不對這麼賺到日本來投資日本要跟美國成立聯合的主權基金我不知道這個什麼會有兩個國家的主權基金呢我是聽不到啦我們支持魯頓聽不到兩個國家主權基金了台灣都 |
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好 最後一題喔這個 這個你是專家啦不是昨天 有某一個金礦公司的董事長承認啦 承認金礦公司董事長他現在不是了他說了 台幣不應該一次噪聲 應該緩聲 |
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你聽過這個話了嗎?很多種說法,各式各樣都有昨天那位董事長講,你知道嗎?信菜的其實我們很多種說法啦昨天比較update的消息啦好,可是,還生,那就回到1985年廣場協議還生的結果,日本失落三十名 |
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它的因為緩升大家認為說它一定慢慢升所以熱血一直進來跑哪裡就跑兩個地方一個股票一個房地產股票不斷的上升房地產不斷的上升上升到後來泡沫就變成一個disast一個很大的災難對國家來講都變一個很大的災難所以現在來講就是到底緩升還是一字生竹緩升 |
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對於出口業者有時間調整可是 可是意味緩升太多的外資會進來 進來 do nothing就等著他升值 以後再出去然後呢 再去買房地產 買股票就會變成泡沫化 這個你擔不擔心 |
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我想剛剛委員提到,匯率我真的不是專家,央行的同仁在這邊你是經濟學博士,你自己來沒有,我想匯率的部分,就我個人對這個事情的粗淺了解就是廣場協議是很久以前的,那時候的國際政經的複雜度跟連結度跟現在是完全不同而且美國的態度也沒辦法像當年這樣完全的 |
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就是跟現在狀況很不一樣當然過去的歷史大家都會好好的去看我想從過去這個幾個月來大家就看到了這個不是第一次被提出來那當然很多的講法都有那是不是歷史會重演其實我覺得這個事情都要我時間到了我再做幾個comment |
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廣場協議那時候是英法美德四個國家去打一個日本現在是川普打世界其他國家是不一樣的這是第一個不一樣第二個我們都知道現在來講川普希望美元強勢的要走弱長期走弱這個對其他國家都有深植的壓力其實我就是問你一個小問題你結束了我就下去 |
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你贊成反省還是一事到位沒有我覺得這個我們沒辦法預期啦但是你這樣說就沒有給我答案了你就是給我一個爽快的答案你prefer你prefer我沒辦法prefer他應該有可能是緩貶有可能未來就是很難預測我覺得這個我們都要有兩方的昨天那一位是現在是大公司大集團的董事長以前當過金控的董事長 |
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那也是一家公司啦我就不要講他名字了 大家都看到他講的時候 緩身我嚇一跳緩身就鼓勵熱情慢慢進來台灣然後造成我們的股市泡沫我們的黃市泡沫要很小心耶當然我們隨時都保持警戒跟小心謝謝市長 謝謝委員 謝謝接著請郭國文委員質詢 |