| IVOD_ID |
161964 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161964 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-28T09:47:24+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-28T09:54:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/75aba70f567c6f24c3dccc3498c1dd7b59eeaad68db6e97fb291a8f6a096732c5a65960676c3fd835ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡其昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:47:24 - 09:54:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理113年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管預算凍結案計15案。
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算關於國家通訊傳播委員會預算凍結案計2案。
三、繼續審查(一)委員黃健豪等19人擬具「電信管理法第五條、第八條及第七十九條條文修正草案」案、(二)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「電信管理法第五條及第八條之一條文修正草案」案、(三)委員鍾佳濱等21人擬具「電信管理法第五條、第九條及第七十九條條文修正草案」案、(四)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「電信管理法第九條及第四十條條文修正草案」案及(五)委員陳俊宇等19人擬具「電信管理法第七十五條條文修正草案」案。
【本日會議僅針對開會事由二進行詢答，詢答後進行審查】
【5月28日及29日二天一次會】） |
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過去我們一度認為告訴民眾只要收到簡訊的title是111大概就確定這個不是詐騙曾經好幾個月我們都在宣導這個事情那看起來最近又有一個案例用移動式2G的移動式基地台他只要移動到某一個區域進行蓋台他就可以發111的簡訊 |
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現在還有多少人可以收到移動式2G的基地台的這種111的簡訊我的手機是5G嘛那我收得到嗎新出品的手機收不到除非有去改動它的人機介面把2GD4的啟動把它開為啟動把它打開嘛好那主委那現在 |
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如果以不打開的情況底下我們國人還有多少人會受到這種移動基地台造假111簡訊的影響大概都是112年9月1號刑事戰陣手機以前的產品以前的手機比較舊的比較會有可能那針對這個偽2G基站的發送部分我們大概跟業者跟電證隊跟刑事警察局都有 |
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都有一個聯防措施喔那剛剛委員提到說近期破壞南北各一個偽基地台部分發送就是南部在使用的情況就是在系統端也是事後部分我們我跟業者跟電信偵查大隊會有一些協助處理那手機端剛剛跟委員報告部分我們在其實在112年9月1號的我們有要求業者9月1號112年9月1號 |
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新認證的手機必須要那個系統軟體端就設定說國內發的二級簡訊是不予接收的那後來這部分有一些局限性被詐團知悉了他就用一些特殊的方式來處理但是我們持續精進我們今年今年5月1號以後的安卓手機跟 |
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IOS手機等等最遲今年底都會完成就是說進一步的進一步措施未來國人在國內的手機不管是新手機舊手機我會挺他用OTA方式來處理的話2G的偽基地站發的簡訊都不會收到那主委那我請教你明天如果一個人收到111的話那他可信或可不信 |
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就是說我們過去一直在告訴大家111沒有問題你只要看到111100%就是政府發的那現在這樣的宣導可以持續嗎 |
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可以持續但是這段期間在這個手機端完全這個正確D4OFF的覆蓋率百分之百之前會有灰色地帶會有少部分人會收到那應該就是說現在還不可盡信啦可能maybe還有幾因為我剛剛在問你數字嘛就還有多少人基本上在NC掌握的資訊裡面還有多少人還可以收到這種移動式詐騙基地台的這種一一一一簡訊還有多少人 |
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詳細數據我這邊是沒有 但是根據我們國人手機汰換的一些週期評語的話應該是 因為應該還有 應該可能會有五分之一左右的人的手機那算起來數量很大 是有可能還很大喔所以我建議說 如果你們因為過去我們一直在宣導這件事情那我覺得這時候你應該 還有如果 不要說五分之一啦 |
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不要說五分之一 十分之一的就很大了十分之一的量他收到111是詐騙簡訊的機會就很高囉十個裡面就有一個 你想十個號碼裡面就有一個號碼收得到這個很可怕嘛 |
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所以我們也會持續懷疑對簡訊內容的時候要打165來確認對 所以你還是不可以宣導111是可以就你直接就相信這一定是政府的簡訊嘛所以直到你剛剛想過你怎麼去補破網補好之後再來宣導 |
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主委可不可以跟蘇發普溝通一下因為這個看起來就不是嘛過去宣導111是絕對沒有問題絕對安全我認為這個資訊都是錯誤的因為你剛剛講數量我認為五分之一還很大啦還很大也就是十個電話號碼當中有五個可能還會收到111是詐騙 |
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但是隨著時間往後推就會快速下降所以你等到快速下降譬如說你認為全台灣可能百分之一或千分之一的時候你再來講這件事情或許比較合理這個階段你告訴大家這111我是建議應該我們在這裡要澄清111在這個階段並不是不需要查證一定是政府發給你的 |
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委員說得對,這邊我會跟數位部來協力處理好,那另外我們一般講外籍人士的這個卡現在的我們這個外籍人士的這個預付卡這個用預付詐騙集團買外籍人士要離境之後的這個預付卡來進行詐騙犯罪 |
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主委這個狀況現在的比例上數量有沒有下來 |
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這部分我們有在進行清查從去年11月還有223萬我們現在已經清查完100多萬清查完只要他依據打造條例只要他已經出境或者他的預期距離我們都會給你斷話目前已經斷了14萬那不符這個資格他來新申辦的我們也拒絕了11.4萬這個比例我們會期待在8我們要求電信業者在 |
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八月以前全部清查完畢這塊的話清查完畢之後這塊比例會逐漸下降所以清查完畢之後等於如果外籍人士離境就應該給他斷訊是應該這麼說嘛對好那這個速度可能要能夠盡量請電信業者加快啦因為這一塊的犯罪還是持續的還是數字還是在嘛 |
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對 像中華電信他就有在我們要求下他六月份就會全部清查完成好 這個我覺得 景丁啦那狀況怎麼樣再給我一個報告好 沒問題這個我覺得是我們要想辦法把詐騙的根源都一一把它切斷好 謝謝 |