| IVOD_ID |
161897 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161897 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-26T09:32:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-26T09:41:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:04 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/120d1ede7233a40ab41c3266ab2ab8976c7274cb7632216e664b71adb5aad23193f6943423fdd6745ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王義川 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:32:45 - 09:41:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請司法院副秘書長、法務部次長、內政部次長、教育部、衛生福利部、勞動部、內政部警政署就「跟蹤騷擾防制法施行三週年後，其制度成效、實務偵查、審判困境與未來修法展望」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、處理114年度中央政府總預算關於司法院預算凍結項目共10案。） |
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法務部跟內政部的兩位次長你問教育部你就有教我教育部我也沒說有人來,你也叫人家來副市長,許家倩副市長還有內政部馬次長還有我們法務部黃次長 |
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我先請教教育部的代表,跟燒法通過以後,對於男女同學之間的追求,教育部怎麼宣導跟燒法? |
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跟委員報告有關跟騷法的部分其實在我們校園平等教育法裡面的相關的性別事件我們的宣導防制一直都有在做那這三年有學生因為跟騷法被告發舉報或者是去告的嗎 |
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跟委員報告這三年其實都有相關的事件那跟稍法我們這三年的統計比如說像去年大概有八十幾件的通報那結果呢結果屬實的部分其實跟委員報告屬實的部分其實在去年的統計大概只有十二件 |
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只有十二件對好我先問教育部的原因是這個跟騷法跟這個追求有一條線存在啊譬如說這個A同學喜歡B同學他下課就跑去他教室外面看他放學他就說他要保護他回家他也沒有對他做什麼他什麼都沒做他就是默默的跟著他來 法務部次長 |
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按照你的理解這算跟燒嗎這個還是要看構成要件那有可能構成但是還是要由這個教育單位先行輔導然後假設被害人或是他的家長有提出告訴的話我們就會接手來處理 |
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好就是完全是看所謂的這個所謂的被害人他覺得因為這個照角色照剛才委員所描述的情形的話應該是告訴乃論之罪OK好那接下來我請這個內政部這個次長在這一個警方如果受理報案我舉一個例子就是在路上走 |
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那每次要回家呢 後面就跟著一個人那也不知道那個人是誰也不知道那個人是誰那也沒有制止他但是就心生恐懼心生恐懼 他也沒有對你怎樣但是他就一直跟著你喔那你也沒有回去找他喔你就趕快跑回家然後今天這樣 明天也這樣這可不可以報案 |
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報委員 這個應該要報案因為違反意願 心生恐懼 影響生活就應該報案好 那報案的時候這個可以報什麼報委員 這個根據我們目前的法規有色違法跟跟騷法都可以報案好 那跟騷法要不要回頭跟他講你不要再跟不需要 我們只要有重複 反覆實施的話我們就可以來報案那如果沒有重複呢 |
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沒有重複如果是一次性的話,這個可能會比較適合社會法的狀態比較符合社會法?比較符合,因為我們要看個案好,那報案你們就會查嗎?報案如果我們認定說這個有跟沙法的構成要件的話,我們就會核發告解署 |
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那就你們認定我們會認定 行政上認定就是說我們偵查的過程如果認為他有跟騷行為的話那同性之間算不算都算同性之間也算也算 跟性別有關都算不是 就是就是我覺得他在跟我那我覺得他對我有跟騷我就去報案了可以的我就去報案了我個人覺得可是對方呢 沒有 他就他對我也沒有什麼在性上面的這一個 |
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這個事情,那這可以符合跟騷法嗎?各位網友,這個還是要約詢我們的相關當事人來了解案情因為如果說他所比如說跟蹤的目的或者是說他有拍攝的行為那拍攝行為如果涉及到對方的隱私或是一些特定部位的話這個我們是可以根據跟騷法來做認定那跟騷法要反覆對不對?如果沒有反覆就沒辦法? |
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一次性的話基本上我們會比較傾向於那這一個恐嚇違安要不要反覆恐嚇違安的話它是另外一個法律恐嚇的話是刑法對它不是跟騷法我知道那要不要反覆來那個馮鶴部副市長那個跟騷行為除了反覆之外還有持續也就是說雖然只有一次性但是如果持續很久也算跟騷 |
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講清楚一點就是它構成要件裡面除了反覆或持續以性或跟性有關的這個目的來做這個跟蹤或是騷擾行為的話就可能會構成這個跟騷好 我為什麼要這樣問就是當有人被跟蹤 被偷拍他的第一時間他當然就是跑嘛 |
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就是說趕快離開現場那他很緊張啊他就跑去派出所報案啊派出所如果回答他說請問你要告什麼這樣是處理這樣是對的嗎應該要跟這個我想應該請那個警政署這邊來來 警政署這樣是對的嗎當事人喔 |
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任何案子基本上我們都要先受理,再來瞭解他整個案情的狀況,他是誰該當何人那警察可不可以跟當事人分析說,你這齁,不確定對方是甚麼人所以你這根梢法應該告不刑,你這恐嚇維安也告不刑你再想想看,看你要告什麼,這樣的對話是對的嗎 |
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這樣是不對的 這樣是不可以的因為這個當事人啊這個反應 他去派出所 反正就去避免他說有人跟他對嘛後來警方跟他說 你要回頭制止他你沒有制止他你怎麼知道他在對你做這些事情這不對喔這樣是不對的最後我再請這個教育部啊 |
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我很擔心我們現在的學校尤其是高中這種跟騷的狀況同學之間被騷擾的狀況如果一開始都無所謂後來家長倆說這個小朋友回去會講我們學校我叫他不要跟我他就一直跟我但是他也都沒講話然後呢這個 |
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這個所謂的被害人的家屬就跑去警察局告了他就第一時間跑去警察局,然後就報案了可是呢,這個到底有沒有跨過那條線啊我覺得教育部應該,因為我跟你講學校老師可能也不懂 |
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謝謝委員提醒在學校老師的部分我們應該要加強相關的性別平等職能的教育所以我建議教育部跟法務部還是內政部針對學校的老師尤其學校輔導的老師這方面的認知要加強 |
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512.665 |
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537.335 |
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然後順便跟學生做教育否則很多學生搞不清楚他也不知道他跨過了那一條線他就覺得他就是喜歡他他就是迷戀他但是他也什麼事他也沒做什麼動作他就想說我要保護他回家他回完家他自己也回家是 謝謝委員指導學生部分我們應該也要加強有關情感教育的一個方面的一個宣導 謝謝好 謝謝 |
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543.882 |
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544.407 |
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謝謝王一專委 |