| IVOD_ID |
161826 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161826 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-22T11:31:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-22T11:44:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:07 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1976c9e92d55c2f940fe79ed4fad065b018167f9c4d828f8672ba64a6a255857d43161210f0379b75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:31:16 - 11:44:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請原住民族委員會主任委員率同所屬及財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長與財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。二、處理114年度中央政府總預算案有關原住民族委員會及所屬預算解凍案。三、審查「原住民族基本法」修正草案等12案：(一)審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第二條之二條文草案」案。(二)審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等17人擬具「原住民族基本法第二十一條條文修正草案」案。(三)審查委員高金素梅等21人擬具「原住民族基本法部分條文修正草案」案。(四)審查委員黃仁等30人擬具「原住民族基本法第十九條條文修正草案」案。(五)審查委員黃仁等26人擬具「原住民族基本法第十五條條文修正草案」案。(六)審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第六條之一條文草案」案。(七)審查委員黃仁等20人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第二十八條之一條文草案」案。(八)審查委員黃仁等22人擬具「原住民族基本法第十條條文修正草案」案。(九)審查委員黃仁等21人擬具「原住民族基本法第六條條文修正草案」案。(十)審查委員高金素梅等20人擬具「原住民族基本法第十八條條文修正草案」案。(十一)審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具「原住民族基本法第十八條條文修正草案」案。(十二)審查委員盧縣一等18人擬具「原住民族基本法部分條文修正草案」案。【第一案至第三案合併詢答；第三案僅詢答，另定期處理】） |
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主席 各位委員 曾助委好這個今天有這個業務報告還有這個解凍案 還有法案在今天你的業務報告裡面特別提到原住民組織法標題喔 標題是原住民組織法然後還要研擬原住民組織法草案早就有了原住民組織法 |
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我在當企劃處處長的時候就朝你了我當副主委的時候就完成了還嚴你什麼呢然後無論是陳水扁總統或是尤其是馬英九總統都有送原住民組織法到立法院只不過是送來的時候太晚了沒有完成 |
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所以又退回去,借其不聯繫所以都有了現在還在研擬這個真的是一個我們接下來就不用回答了但是要欠珍珠園不要像某人連送草案到行政院都沒有最起碼要送行政院 |
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不要把責任全部扛在自己身上他很偉大的責任當初原住民族自治的一個這裡面大家都在關心部落公法人的事辦請問一下這個經費要從哪裡支應 |
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我們從這個綜合綜合規劃發展這個經費還有從這個綜合發展基金來支出這個經費這個經費你們的預算自用說明裡面沒有這些預算自用說明沒有這些所以你們是挪用好我們接下來我們接下來看 |
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原住民族基本法第四條剛講了要制定這個原住民族自治法趕快定趕快送已經早就有草案了很重要的今天談部落公法人這是本席所提案的然後立法院三讀通過部落公法人延期法第二條之一寫得很清楚部落經中央原住民族主管機關核定者為公法人 |
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所以要先要一 第二項要訂這個部落公法人的設置辦法這是授權 延民會自己訂喔法例授權 中央延民會自己訂所以公佈施行之後 104年12月16號馬英九公佈施行林江一主委很快的在105年5月3號卸任之前喔訂了部落公法人設置辦法 |
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然後你們也預告了105年5月3號林江一主委做了預告蔡總統就任預告之後沒有幾天蔡總統就任然後8月1號蔡總統承諾部落公法人的制度已經推動上路大家都非常高興有了法律又有草案了 |
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然後一將主委在106年10月27號也做了預告做了一些修正做了一個廣泛的徵詢意見之後就預告囉都預告了現在還事辦什麼呢對不對還事辦什麼呢都有啊都有草案啊趕快發布才對啊因為 |
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你說事辦 你也要先依當初的依原計法第二條之一發佈這個部落公法人的設置辦法如果你想事辦 你可以在這個辦法裡面加一條先事辦你可以加一條事辦的公法人才可以成為公法人啊 |
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你是一個公法人的部落你事辦才有一個成效到底是怎麼樣啊你才有部落公法人的前者前者跟前例跟義務才能夠才才真正的才能夠達到事辦的效果不然的話沒有部落公法人 |
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你這個沒有辦法 你就沒有法規依據嘛你用那個事辦計畫他就不是公法人啊沒有公法人的地位沒有這個潛力義務你怎麼事辦 淪為空談嘛就是原來那是部落嘛你還是現在的部落沒有地位你事辦什麼呢 |
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你沒有譴責啊 你怎麼事辦所以還是要趕快發布部落公法人設置辦法啊 主委趕快發布我們會就是說謝謝委員這個指教啦要勇敢的跟這個主委講過去我當企劃處處長也是很勇敢的跟主委講啊對不對 我當副主委的時候也是很勇敢的 |
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不要怕就送上去就不用送啊我說那個亞波蘇洋送成何然後主委就把它發布不用送行政院呢授權給你呢這麼大譴責中華民國的法律給你這麼大的譴責又不敢奇怪了所以這個部分好我們接下來 |
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所以當初因為有這樣的提案所以等一下我們預算提案解凍案的時候我們可以繼續討論好接下來這個禁法補償當初我提要追加預算而且還要求你1月31號以前要送到主計總處這個是考慮到立法院的會期啊那個曾主委立法院的會期啊 |
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到這個月5月31號6月開始是休會還好我們上禮拜前幾天表決通過要延會到7月31號所以還有機會進法補償的追加預算的審查 |
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那趕快送來在你的報告裡面提到你已經比我的比我的立法院所通過的結議預算案的解通案的結議慢了兩個月你是3月10號3月10號送到行政院你每天啊或是每個禮拜碰到行政院主席長還有這個院長跟他報告的這個急迫性啊不能9月怎麼發放 |
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你7月30還要我們有研會啊不然的話你9月10月是立法院的總質詢的時間不會處理那個議案啊所以抓住這個時間趕快要求每個禮拜就跟那個主計長講可以嗎可以每個禮拜就跟他講不要一直躺在他的桌上他有退回嗎有沒有退回 |
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還沒有退回沒有退回嘛對嘛沒有退回就要趕快這個是你要跟他講卓榮泰院長所承諾的啊對不對最佳預算是卓榮泰院長所承諾的嘛最後一個題目齁這個住宅啊原住民的專屬的社會住宅過去沒有住宅法的時候你看基隆1億當時啊81年啊1億多原住民的國宅啊 |
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然後你看這個新店的中正原住民住宅兩億多的經費然後這個新三峽的兩億多的住宅然後汐止花東新村四億多這個是最快的邊公寓上直接買那個民間的集合式住宅這個是直接買喔 |
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直接買民間的集合式住宅法那時候是沒有住宅法現在啊各位報告剛剛你講這個都是為了安置災民所做的一些一樣的做法一樣的做法我們看住宅法你先看住宅法第二條第四項 |
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目的事業主管機關就是指中央人民會為了原住民主的教育語言文化的傳承發展需要要興建專攻原住民成都的社會住宅這個是法例105年等一下105年12月23號所明訂的原住民的現在都會期人口已經達到51.57%了你看 |
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新北市台北市桃園市台中市原住民的自有住宅的比例這麼的低所以要新建或是買作為原住民的專攻的社會住宅這個是有法律的依據啊處長他想要說什麼目的事業主管機關是地方政府錯了 |
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670.601 |
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住宅法第二條寫得很清楚地方政府是什麼是主管機關啊他不是目的主委主管機關所以是延命會的責任這個我曾經執行國發會啊國發會說我執行國發會說要給你們機會修你們原住民的住宅四年計劃原住民族住宅四年計劃國發會說可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
694.119 |
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國發會說可以他我質詢完之後馬上就發文給言明會啊主委3月21號我把國發會的承諾說要趕快他還說要看要快不然會來不及處長這個計劃說成何了沒有 |
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包委員喔 社會住宅目前都是用融資來興建那因為目前地方政府提出的都是要中央全額補助所以我們沒有辦法 有沒有全額補助是另外可以談的至少你又有錢啦你連一塊錢都沒有融資平台本來就是用融資本來就金財源就會沒有問題那現在地方呢都是要求全額補助 其實中央沒有辦法國發會都同意這不是國發會說了就算 國發會都同意 |
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針對在這個你們的四年計劃裡面原住民族住宅四年計劃現在整個地方就有新建住宅經費總共是72億總共是72億其實中央是沒有辦法全部都是應該用自廠性的方式來去做處理處長 曾主委我早上還質詢了國發會主委早上喔 今天早上喔 |
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他說沒有問題可以趕快請嚴明會送來所以這個部分是一個非常非常重要最後最後剩下十秒鐘嚴明會委託政治大學已經完成的台灣原住民族正名運動政府體制文獻史料會篇主委就趕快印好不好好謝謝 |
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謝謝 鄭天才委員 |