| IVOD_ID |
161820 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161820 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-22T11:48:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-22T11:57:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1976c9e92d55c2f948140960124f65d1c1afe2edc2e0cc67672ba64a6a25585774ad0faf363c552f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅廷瑋 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:48:01 - 11:57:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理或審查114年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等39案。
二、處理或審查114年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案等21案。
三、繼續審查：
（一）行政院函請審議「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
（二）本院委員王美惠等18人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
（三）本院委員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
（四）本院委員李坤城等16人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
（五）本院委員郭昱晴等19人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
（六）本院委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「個人資料保護法第十二條、第二十七條及第四十八條條文修正草案」案。
（七）本院委員蔡易餘等18人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
（第六案及第七案如未接獲議事處來函則不予審查。）） |
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來 請好 謝謝主席 有請部長來 請部長 |
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先給我第一張看一下好 部長好部長 想跟你先請問一下我們看這一則新聞核電機組陸續除役台電證明台中的電廠又沒量 屢創新低那台電也間接的證明盧修煙任內空污排放比2016年降低76%對嗎這我請台電來跟你們解釋台電對嗎 這你們的新聞稿 |
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是,因為這個是台電跟台中市這種所以他在上任時有372億度那減去去年的272億度大概大降了超過100億度電,對嗎?是好,那這個是我們現階段看到了台電間接承認我們台中市一直以來都在往減煤減排的方向在進行可是我們看下一張 |
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部長我還要延續5月1號的質詢部長你還記得5月1號我們兩個之間的對話嗎當時我問你火力發電會不會達到100%將近100%然後你跟我講這個機率很小那你知道在4月27到5月10號的這兩週14天內有12天有佔比突破90%的有14天有8天超過98% |
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有五天超過99%有兩天超過100%相比部長告訴我台灣進入非核家園未來約84%電力將有火力發電支撐還沒進入非核家園的承諾就已經破功了嘛部長你怎麼回應 |
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我看數字的這個顯示嘛那如果委員認為這樣是火力全開我不反對又不反對前幾天不是說沒有火力全開嗎 |
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還是你要認為火力九成九開就是不叫火力全開可是我現在問你的問題是你當時告訴我84%支撐所謂的火力發電來支撐結果沒有啊事實證明都超過90%再來我那天也問你晚上無風無雨你告訴我所謂的機率很小 |
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平均發電在87%但今天我要看我們下一張圖核三二號機退役之後5月18到5月22每一個表格都是來自於台電的公開資料 |
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退場之後每天夜間的火力佔比都超高深夜火力佔比常常都99%以上5月18 995月19 1045月20 1015月21 1025月22 102你告訴我平均用電量晚上夜間87%相距甚遠部長這個你怎麼回應鐵針針的數據啊是 |
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那你有沒有覺得你應該為你的言論而道歉當時你就在這樣子的現場在國會的殿堂 |
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你講出這些數據完全沒有依據完全就是敷衍甜言蜜語來欺騙台中人你說87%嘛但現階段我們看到的數據全部最高達到102%那你要怎麼說你就是在某個時段裡面是這個樣子在某個時段裡面是這樣子平均值是這個樣子所以你還是在用平均值來算嘛 |
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那你中火更是火力全開剛剛說你可以認同5月18中火10部燃煤機組一部稅休9部可以發4950我們現階段發電發到了4587超過9成所以你現階段火力不是全開嗎 |
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九部藍莓機組 九部都開 你告訴我火力沒全開火力九成開 算不算火力全開還是你要這邊站那一層一部是稅休你稅休你沒有開嘛 你是因為稅休沒開不是因為你不開啊所以基本上已經是把最大用電的發電量將近把它全部5月13 |
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那我想你應該要就事實來說我要再回到我們下一張圖剛剛我講的第一張圖片我們在說的我們現階段2016年到2024年我們一直努力減碳減排終於有了成效可是在最近我們看到台中電廠的用煤量是屢創新高這個圖表我相信你都看過了這是用煤量我們下一張圖 |
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我們把去年5月14號跟今年5月14號來做對比慢慢往前推進到了去年的5月17到今年的5月17我們看出差距發電的總量我們這總和開始越來越高 |
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台電官網上說友善降載還有環保限制的跳票就用台中人的費來泰帝啊減煤承諾就是現階段我們看到的完全跳票為了救電可以犧牲台中人的健康台中火力發電會不會達到100%部長你當時還是說機率很少嗎 |
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對照數據郭部長就是睜眼說瞎話難道98 99不算接近100%嗎這說大話說習慣了搞不清楚狀況部長我必須要講你就是說謊你就是騙子 |
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你現階段你就是98%的騙子但是我沒有說你是100%的騙子因為你認為98%不是趨近於100%嗎所以我們現階段火力發電長年為全台供電台中市就要承受PM2.5超標肺癌居高不下口口聲聲的減煤 以氣換煤還有發展綠能你就是要告訴全民你的非核家園就是火力家園 |
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所以我要跟你講中火是全球最大最老舊的啞鈴界藍莓電廠什麼時候要除疫什麼時候要給台中人健康部長你可不可以回應還是你要再繼續說謊還是你死不承認部長上一次5月1號講到現在您今天選擇沉默以對嗎還是說不出來還是啞口無言 |
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部長 可以給我一些回應嗎那你給我時間講嗎請說好 這個所有發電的內容都是我們跟台中市政府合議的框架之內的數字這樣你知道嗎現階段你口口聲聲說合議的框架內啦 |
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但是我們看到的發電總和所以你的意思就是說是經過台中市政府同意所以台中市政府他發證照給你你就可以這樣子不斷的使用今天我們看到數字超標你推給台中市政府合議的框架然後拿這些甜言蜜語繼續告訴民眾沒有啊台中市同意啊這個是在合議的框架之內在運作 |
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你當然會這樣講可是我現階段跟你講的是2025年拿2024年你明明可以進步你現階段就是退步你還在用合議的框架你還在用這些數據平均量來告訴台中人沒有啊我們有持續的減煤減淡 |
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謝謝主席我要講的是台中人的健康不是給你這樣隨意糊弄台中人的健康是台中市政府允許的範圍之內喔允許的範圍我們希望你越來越好我們在做的生煤自治條例也被中央廢除我們都希望能夠持續的減煤減碳但是中央就是在其中杯葛尤其經濟部的錯誤能源政策造成台中人最後健康損失 |
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所以我們要再一次的抗議台中人應該要站起來我們更呼籲經濟部重視台中人的健康好我們經濟部非常重視所有全國國人的健康好 不好意思因為我下來了你又在講話所以我要回應你沒有啦沒有啦你如果今天重視的話今天麻煩你把真正的發電量能夠降低而不是我們看到了跟去年來對比我們的發電量屢創新高好 OK不要講了 |
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再講我們等一下還要處理那個處理法案 |