| IVOD_ID |
161812 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161812 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-22T11:04:06+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-22T11:13:24+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1976c9e92d55c2f9d95a28bddb2b0998018167f9c4d828f8b229dfd5e6d71d20ab150cb962ecfa415ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
許宇甄 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:04:06 - 11:13:24 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請原住民族委員會主任委員率同所屬及財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長與財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。二、處理114年度中央政府總預算案有關原住民族委員會及所屬預算解凍案。三、審查「原住民族基本法」修正草案等12案：(一)審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第二條之二條文草案」案。(二)審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等17人擬具「原住民族基本法第二十一條條文修正草案」案。(三)審查委員高金素梅等21人擬具「原住民族基本法部分條文修正草案」案。(四)審查委員黃仁等30人擬具「原住民族基本法第十九條條文修正草案」案。(五)審查委員黃仁等26人擬具「原住民族基本法第十五條條文修正草案」案。(六)審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第六條之一條文草案」案。(七)審查委員黃仁等20人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第二十八條之一條文草案」案。(八)審查委員黃仁等22人擬具「原住民族基本法第十條條文修正草案」案。(九)審查委員黃仁等21人擬具「原住民族基本法第六條條文修正草案」案。(十)審查委員高金素梅等20人擬具「原住民族基本法第十八條條文修正草案」案。(十一)審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具「原住民族基本法第十八條條文修正草案」案。(十二)審查委員盧縣一等18人擬具「原住民族基本法部分條文修正草案」案。【第一案至第三案合併詢答；第三案僅詢答，另定期處理】） |
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我們請曾主委曾主委有請委員好主委好啊主委賴清德總統在去年一月競選總統的時候有說過當選總統後要將原住民落實自治推動族裔的富裕還有重視原民健康權栽培原民人才跟恢復部落的生活機能那請問主委您擔任原民會的主委已經一年了那賴總統所說的落實原住民族的自治實施了嗎 |
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各位委員報告原住民的自治不是一次就到位所以我們希望我們先事辦公法人讓我們的部落先學習怎麼樣來自己決定自己部落的事情 |
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所以去年我有諮詢過您這樣子一個您剛上任的時候但是目前不要說立法啦連草案都還沒有完成那當然原住民現在目前的自治法原是根據地方制度法所制定的那直轄市的原住民的區長原本是沒有辦法與選舉產生那是在馬英九總統執政時期提出的行政院的版本修法賦予直轄市的原住民主有自治權 |
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那但是跟原住民族的自治法的立法的差異還是有很大那根據你們剛剛的業務報告針對原住民族自治法的草案的推動進度只寫了會保障原住民族自治權研擬原住民族自治法草案並徵詢各界意見將循法製作業程序辦理 |
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你用了44個字 含標點符號落實原住民自治是賴清德總統的政見之一那請問何時可以提出草案草案已經原住民自治法草案已經有一個新的版本但是我們接下來就是要去爭取族人的意見去年一年都沒有爭取族人的意見嗎去年我們是先研擬草案 |
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那草案延領了一年現在出來了現在要徵詢主任的意見是這樣嗎那我們預計大概要徵詢多久我們大概會排定因為我們大概如果說預算解凍之後我們才有經費去辦這個意見徵詢預算解凍啊不是等一下就會解凍了嗎那我們大概需要大概需要半年的時間半年的時間好那半年的時間你們徵詢完之後理論上是原住民的草案就是半年後應該就可以提出了是嗎 |
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因為我想針對這個部分因為民長已經執政9年了但是到現在為止都還沒有提出過草案供立法院審查所以要請原民會要多多加油那另外我想請教你就是落實原住民族基本法第二條第一項所揭示的部落自治精神在114年4月7號有啟動剛剛你有提到部落公法人的事辦計畫那並責定了台東縣的督蘭部落 |
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花蓮縣的薩古爾部落、屏東縣的義陵部落、屏東縣的大武部落跟南投縣的旺鄉部落這五個部落作為示範區那主委我查了一下這五個部落的人口數就是我現在你可以看到的表上的數字 |
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那另外呢我還查了像包括台東縣的馬老部落有1887人台東縣的大鳥部落有1165人台東縣的金輪部落有1255人花蓮縣的泰巴索部落有2463人花蓮縣的馬太安部落有2469人等等這些都比你挑的五個這個部落示範區還要多人那請問為什麼你挑這五個部落 |
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我跟委員報告我們這幾個部落就說是有幾個是山地原住民鄉的部落他本來部落的這個大概他的人口數也就是500到400人左右是這樣只有那個杜蘭部落他是平地原住民鄉還有這個沙古爾部落所以他的人數會比較多一點所以你本來就是責定只能500人所有的部落嗎 |
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不是因為我們認為這幾個部落他的範圍固定還有他的人口數沒有那麼多然後他的部落這些不管是村長也好代表也好議員也好還有地方上的社區理事我們都觀察過他們的互動都很好 |
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是跟你的互動比較好還是跟一般人的互動比較好跟族人的互動比較好其實其他人互動都不好不要誤會了齁這裡面沒有一個是我的部落也沒有一個是我的鄉那其他的人的互動部落都不好喔你的意思是這樣嗎跟部落的互動都不好不是說其他都不好那請問一下那蘭嶼呢蘭嶼的島族部落咧 |
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我覺得他更適合你講的這樣就是他就是一個完整的部落更固定那當然因為蘭嶼有更多的這個考量那我們想就是說這個總是第一波我們先做讓我們先做做看那請問你有沒有徵詢其他部落的意見還有怎麼選定這幾個是由我們園民會自己 |
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決定要選這五個嗎這幾個部落是我們會裡面討論討論的結果希望我們會裡面不管是副主委也好還有所以就是由上而下沒有徵詢其他部落嗎我也徵詢他們的意見然後我們有下去跟部落先做溝通哪個部落 你跟哪個部落做溝通比如說這個大五 義理你跟這五個部落溝通當然好我只是你跟其他的部落有沒有溝通也沒有 |
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不是說他願意我們就一定要跟他走因為你這樣子可以比如說示範8個月給100萬的補助那其他的這5個示範部落在8個月的時間可以領到這100萬那未來如果有相關的競爭的機會 |
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因為他們這五個是示範區所以他們可能就可以優先有這樣子的一個機會可以直接跟中央爭取更多的權益那其他的部落就輸在起跑點了可以說是連這個報名表都拿不到那這個部分的話事實上看起來就是制度性的圖利還有排擠性的分配 |
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我跟委員報告像其他的部落不在這五個部落裡面有的時候他們爭取的機會都遠遠超過剛剛所講的機會那誰哪一個部落你可以舉例一下嗎就是說我們這個事辦計畫這五個部落他們所爭取的機會主委我想請教一下現在有沒有補救的辦法否則的話我剛剛講了嘛 |
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其他的部落也想要爭取成為這個示範區可是呢是由你們由上而下決定這五個部落那其他的部落如果也想成為示範區有沒有什麼這個補救的辦法難道要一直讓這種不公平一直持續下去嗎 |
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跟委員報告是不是讓我們這五個部落因為現在已經五月底了到年底只剩下大概半年多一點的時間那你四月才開始的也不過才開始一個月那你告訴我說到年底你才開始一個月如果錯了就要改不是用這種方式 |
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或者是說要不然你要不要再多幾個部落來去做示範呢我覺得這也是一種方式啊我們很快明年我們就希望能夠有更多的部落因為不要讓大家覺得這種是制度性的圖利圖利這幾個部落都是由原民會來決定由誰來做我覺得不要讓外界有這樣的感想啦那另外針對這個台東太馬里大武達人等地設置33支陸域風力發電機還有海岸線成功鎮到長濱設置25組的陸域型風力發電 |
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然後台東從南到北就有58支風力發電機所以地方非常強烈的勿滿已經組成了長濱反風電自救會那請問主委知道東部的風電開發案嗎開發商有沒有依照原住民族基本法第21條的規定向部落諮詢並取得同意或參與這裡要諮商同意的正式的送案 |
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所以你說目前沒有經過你們的諮商跟徵詢是嗎還沒有正式送案喔就我所知道那這個風機的環評預備會議在台東開過一次會議請問園民會有派人參加嗎那有沒有通知族人到這個出席區一起發表意見呢環評沒有沒有 |
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環評預備都沒有那也就是說在這過程中都不必去問部落不必去了解這個我們族人的意見都沒有這只是初步的規劃而已那所以等到他都規劃好告訴你要設了那你原民會才說喔那對不起我們都還沒有參與因為還沒成案 |
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所以主委我想原住民我想原民會你們應該是要捍衛原住民的權益啊所以你們要勇敢的表達立場你應該在行政院會的時候向經濟部抗議啊不可以讓原民這個這個攸關原民的權益所以你們應該要積極的參與而不是用這種方式說沒有沒有到最後設立之後然後再來說我們不曉得已經設立了因為不是我的主管機關所以麻煩原民會要拿出你們的魄力來捍衛我們原住民的權益 |
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好 謝謝 |