| IVOD_ID |
161798 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161798 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-22T10:39:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-22T10:48:57+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1976c9e92d55c2f9d7abcc8eb482a2fbc1afe2edc2e0cc67aad19b4ced7b4d8ba1c492a21a7eb66e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:39:30 - 10:48:57 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理或審查114年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等39案。
二、處理或審查114年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案等21案。
三、繼續審查：
（一）行政院函請審議「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
（二）本院委員王美惠等18人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
（三）本院委員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
（四）本院委員李坤城等16人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
（五）本院委員郭昱晴等19人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
（六）本院委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「個人資料保護法第十二條、第二十七條及第四十八條條文修正草案」案。
（七）本院委員蔡易餘等18人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
（第六案及第七案如未接獲議事處來函則不予審查。）） |
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好那我們等一下謝一鳳委員諮詢完我們休息5分鐘好請謝一鳳委員諮詢謝謝主席我想請國發會的高副主委跟郭部長來請部長跟高副主委 |
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人家說這個主權基金的設立是從馬政府蔡政府到現在提出來你就歷經了這三個政府你對於主權基金的設立你有什麼了解為什麼從過去沒有辦法設立 |
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我覺得過去沒有辦法設立就是基本上社會上沒有一致的沒有共識就是大家對於主權設計的目的資金的來源這些沒有共識這樣子那現在呢已經有共識了有立法了嗎因為其實就目前我們面臨的國內外的經濟情勢來說應該現在是主權基金可以成立的一個應該是一個 |
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的時機啦因為我們對外其實我們知道我們面對美國的那個關稅的新政地緣政治風險的提高等等的然後其實國內也累積了我們有很好的我們有很好的財政的基礎我們也有豐厚的 |
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這個外匯存底那我們某個程度上在這個時點我們覺得當然主權基金成立它有它的風險性那可是呢就我們這些主客觀條件來評估的時候我們覺得我們現在是可以做主權基金成立的演繹這件事情但是 |
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央行即便他們現在不持反對的態度但是他們認為不應該無常的使用我們的外匯存訂那對於主權基金資金的相關來源我們現在目前行政院有什麼規劃 |
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我們現在還在研議當中他是說無償那某個程度上有償可能也是形態之一就是其他的國家也有用有償的方式來運用該國的外匯存底國務部長在你旁邊一直點頭你是不是有同意要投資他們報告委員我想我們在這個發展AI的這個過程裡面大家都知道就是說這個最大的市場是在美國 |
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那所以這個我們現在因為這個關稅的命題發生了以後我們大家也重新檢討一下我們發展的策略那麼AI我們在台灣我們在發展AI的邊緣應用那這個部分我們做很多但是在這個AI的所謂的發展跟AI的研究這個部分市場還是在美國 |
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那如果说我们今天在发展这个策业可以从开始就能够关注就能够投资我想对后面的这个加码会有很大的帮助所以我们认为这个AI主权基金的这个设立在当下来讲是非常正确的一个选择是AI主权基金还是主权基金 |
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過去因為我們現在主權基金其實是對台灣以外地區的投資台灣我們已經有現在的國發基金跟我們的台山這些基金都可以對台灣的這些創新的企業可以投資但是對他們是不能夠投資海外的 |
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那因為我們現在發現市場大部分都在海外的幾個地區去發展所以對我們來講我們的企業有一些企業也會去join的到這個海外的這個市場所以我們會對他們來做一些投資我認為 |
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現在來設立這個國家主權基金是一個非常合適的這個時機但是過去沒有辦法設立就是第一個民眾對於這個主權基金的設立在投資部分大家怕如果給予政府一個授權的時候如果賠了咧如果發生弊案你怎麼防弊 |
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如果你就是大家也期待啊我們可以跟新加坡的主權基金一樣可以賺錢啊但是新加坡的主權基金也有賠錢的時候啊全球的市場是怎麼樣的賠錢的時候他的經理人就要下來啊是不是那你怎麼樣子給民眾一個監督的機會大家擔心啊 |
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對不對 大家想說要賺錢 結果錢沒賺到 心療疾耶是啦 我想這都是專業的問題啦 環境跟專業 能夠賺錢跟不賺錢那這個我想我們台灣這些專業的投資者 他們應該是經驗非常豐富啦 |
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所以我們在這個看以台灣現在的投資業者他們的專業的能力來講事實上他們都有很多人都參與世界的這個投資的機會我們會設立法定會有一些法令然後會來這個設定這個專法那麼有專責管理機構來明定它的各項包括設定的目的資金的來源完算治理跟監理的架構 |
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會來確保主權基金營運公開透明並符合政策目標所以我再問那個副主委我再問一下副主委 |
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副主委那未來到底主權基金的主管單位是誰對由行政院來決定你們還沒有確定是不是你們的討論裡面還沒有確定是不是央行已經認為不應該是他們所以是財政部還是你們國發會還是經濟部由行政院來決定 |
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經濟部想要不要行政院主管然後他們來指定所以還沒確定是的那國發會會不會主動的爭取跨部會嗎你們要振興國內的產業嘛是不是我想行政院會就各部會的執掌跟工人他選定最合適的主管機關那我們基本上就是遵從行政院的決定 |
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谢谢大家 |
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那如果獲利了咧要怎麼樣子分配你說獲利是不是對主權基金所以很重要就是說我們必須要有一個法然後還要有一個專責獨立的專責機關我就是說確保之前我們大家認為主權基金有可能會產生的相關的一些弊病等等的就要在這個專法還有這個獨立的專責機關裡面這些機構所以是獨立的專責機關也許不在國發會 |
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也不在財政部 是不是就是說他會有一個主管機關他會設立一個專責的管理的機構然後有一個專法 |
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來做相關的規範所以也不確定獲利會不會撥入例如像勞退就是勞工的退休金或者是可以固定的就是把所有的獲利還稅於零我覺得這些都可以在專法裡面去做討論是嗎 是的那我最後還有一個問題請教郭部長現在 |
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根據中央社的外電法國官員證實了德國的新內閣他們釋出的訊號他說歐盟不再反對將核能視同再生就是他們不再反對核能可以視同再生能源那所以在核能復興的趨勢以及投資能源產業的發展 |
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我們政府部門是不是還要堅持非核家園因為他們已經把它視為再生能源了是 報告委員我想中央社應該只是片面的了解啦歐盟並沒有發表證明說它是正確的我說德國的德國的那個新內閣這德國的建議是這樣子他們已經認為就是核能是歐盟並沒有確認 |
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那他們對於淨零碳排的這個就是影響我們等歐盟確認以後我們會納入我們的參考所以要等歐盟確認以後是不是大家只是提一個proposal不代表是已經確定的方式那如果歐盟確定核能是再生能源的情況下我們會納入我們的參考納入參考會不會再堅持不用核能我們會納入參考經過評估以後再做決定 |
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好 謝謝 |