| IVOD_ID |
161795 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161795 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-22T10:14:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-22T10:27:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1976c9e92d55c2f924a4708518a598a3c1afe2edc2e0cc67aad19b4ced7b4d8b5dc74b8a2e1778a35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:14:28 - 10:27:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理或審查114年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等39案。
二、處理或審查114年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案等21案。
三、繼續審查：
（一）行政院函請審議「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
（二）本院委員王美惠等18人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
（三）本院委員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
（四）本院委員李坤城等16人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
（五）本院委員郭昱晴等19人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
（六）本院委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「個人資料保護法第十二條、第二十七條及第四十八條條文修正草案」案。
（七）本院委員蔡易餘等18人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
（第六案及第七案如未接獲議事處來函則不予審查。）） |
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謝謝主席 楊卓銘發言 邀請部長請部長委員長部長好 |
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河山廠的二號機在17號的時候停役那台灣正式進入到了非核家園那我們也可以看到停役了之後呢那麼這幾天我們台中火力發電廠呈現了火力全開17號、18號晚上的中火機組都達到90%的運轉 |
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而且十部機當中有一部機睡休 剩下九部機是超運轉那台電呢一下子說火力全開是假訊息一下子說不是夜間多發 是日間減發我們很直接的看一下發電量的圖17號跟18號 19號都比去年同期增加大概1000至2000MW |
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如果按照台電臉書上面所說的他沒有多發而且還說他是減罰 |
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但是同期是增加這麼多在這樣的一個情況之下台電到底是真的裝傻還是故意的呢為什麼不願承認中火的發電為什麼要欺騙我們的國人所以我更質疑的是說在台電一直說火力全開是在造謠 |
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但是我們強調中火10步機已經有超過6年它沒有10步全開 已經有超過了這是大家一直一直一直中央地方大家努力所以在10步機當中有9步火力全開這有什麼好得意的 |
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站在我們台中站在我們皇屋的這個立場所以數字會說話5月17、28號單日的中國藍莓量比去年同日多了0.85萬跟1萬噸的這個莓 |
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那連最基礎的數據都已經強烈的告訴我們我們還要硬拗嗎我們還要硬拗中火沒有增加發電我們還要硬拗沒有增加負擔 |
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台電到底把台中人的健康是當笑話嗎本席再給你一個背景也就是台電在一起的時候 燃氣機組的環評他承諾在非空污劑的時候只開九步機所以換句話說台電現在能夠開的就是九步九步全開不是火力全開嗎還要硬拗這個嗎所以事實上我們看到目前為止 |
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台中的中火因為市府監督環保的限制我們大多運轉部長大概60%但是這幾天為了供電為了補上河山電力的一個缺口九部機組都要超運轉尤其到了晚上 |
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中火都是增加50%以上的發電量各機組的運轉都幾乎要超過90%一直開到半夜 您看看半夜的天空是如何一直開到半夜的凌晨就是展現這樣子的一個樣態所以本期要請教 |
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是不是因為預測到會加開這個火力所以過去我們在討論的時候中火機組爭議的時候政府不敢承諾逐年遞減 減煤的數字只有說到2031年才開始減煤但是 本市要說像這樣子在這幾天中火超高的一個電轉量燃煤量 |
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當然會加大我們台中的空污會傷害台中人的健康所以部長進入夏天這樣子的一個火力全開請問部長會是常態嗎會是常態嗎請問部長我請台電跟你回答一下 |
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是 跟委員再說明啦剛才委員其實有提到台電跟台中市政府配合的情況下請問 針對本席的提問像這樣的情況尤其在現在夏天火力全開這會是常態嗎當然不會是常態啊當然不會是常態 這是你應許的本來就不是常態的 不知道委員本來就不是常態 那為什麼要這樣子呢 |
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最近幾天其實是因為日間跟夜間的關係剛才委員也提到了日間其實太陽光鏈上來的時候其實我們就可以把南美的往下降那夜間如果太陽光鏈消失的時候南美基礎最近幾天確實是因為有部分的基礎故障所以他才臨時性的把它往上調那但是總歸都會符合在剛才委員提到的我們跟事務的這個當時的承諾非空氣就是最多就只能你請回我再請部長 |
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部長 本席要請教一定要跟台電好好的來溝通不要只有用話術要欺騙民眾因為面對數字 面對真相 |
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要怎麼樣能夠去改革能源的配套不要火力全開因為這幾天的數字讓國人嚇一跳讓我們台中人很憂心很憂心剛剛台電回答是說不會是常態我再次請教珠島單位的經濟部長會不會是常態燒很多的煤會不會是常態請教部長 |
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我們會來跟台電好好的盤點就按照委員所關心的命題我們會努力你會願意跟台電好好的來盤點跟溝通本席具體強調這幾天的數字讓國人 |
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非常的緊張讓我們台中人中部地區非常的憂心非常的憂心因為我們強調不要火力全開而且我們強調燒很多的煤我們是拒絕的因為在我們的經濟委員會在任會裡頭藍綠白的委員大家共識決也就是今年的中國減煤量要達到100萬噸 |
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這是經過我們詳實的討論也出了我們的委員會也出了用會所以我在這邊還是要強烈的拜託部長一定要跟台電好好的溝通中火火力全開我們絕對拒絕中火要燒很多煤成為常態我們也絕對拒絕我們拒絕台中人用廢發電部長你的看法呢 |
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這個委員的這個指教我們都會留意的你會來留意會不會承諾他不是一個常態他不會燒很多煤請教部長那剛才我想我們台電專業的回答就是不會是常態不會是常態所以委員要相信我們專業一定要好好的去溝通一定要好好的溝通我們也會強力的來監督再請教 |
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我們真夠美的天然氣因為部長在中遊在3月份的時候簽署了阿拉斯加的這個天然氣投資意向書那據報導美國的阿拉斯加州長他說12號他說台灣您向阿拉斯加採購600萬噸的天然氣因為本行非常的重視我們的能源配比到底要怎麼做才能夠真正的去 |
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火力不全開那所以我們繼續來討論也就是說他說這600萬噸呢大概是佔阿拉斯加這個液化天然氣管線計畫年產能的三成那對阿拉斯加來說 州長說他是佔了史上最大規模的這個天然氣的採購那請教部長 州長所說的是真的嗎是屬實嗎我還沒有收到這個報告 |
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你還沒收到這個報告可是州長在媒體上披露的那你這個到底怎麼回事啊為什麼這麼重大你還不知道部長這個是事情嚴重哦州長已經這麼說12號今天已經22號那部長你說你不知道真的不知道嗎因為我上個禮拜都在美國真的不知道嗎我上個禮拜都在美國 |
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好 你回答不知道 那本席要請教那我們3月份中有所簽的 因為您是坑頭整個能源的督導單位那您說這麼重大的竟然不知道 州長12號都這麼說了 你會去了解但是本席請教 真正有沒有這樣的投資計畫有沒有有沒有這樣的投資計畫你說哪一個投資計畫阿拉斯加的這個投資計畫 |
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阿拉斯加是我們有簽了一個意向書嘛那個意向書是我當場在場的啊那你在場你怎麼會不知道呢但是這個計畫裡面並沒有講說我跟他買600萬噸啊是沒有齁所以我們大家都是很想知道真正的 |
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我們是有投資的意願嘛這個是意向書嘛沒有具體的這個數字所以州長講的是不屬實的在你目前所得到的資訊我們並沒有承諾要買這600萬噸的天然氣是不是如此 |
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當然是沒有承諾的嘛是沒有承諾 好所以繼續本席還要再請教最後一個議題也就是我們計畫要採購美國的油氣那本席也覺得 也聽到您的論述就是說中油可以去購買美油然後我們再提煉完了再賣到菲律賓這一件 這個計畫是有在進行動嗎報告委員我們本來就有在買美國的油啦對 |
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然後您說要這個煉製完我們再賣到菲律賓多元發展嘛 對有這個計畫嘛 是不是是不是 有沒有這個計畫 是 |
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這個是我們在討論的一個方向所以還沒有確定 還在評估當中這個公務機關還有不像民間啦 收到就可以做啦不是收到 公務機關要評估啊 有沒有在評估要送到大院啊 你們不同意我們也沒辦法做啊中油購買美油 然後提煉完賣到菲律賓這項計畫 本席請問有沒有這個計畫 有沒有評估 |
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現在目前是沒有這個計畫因為我們在訊息當中當然一定要問真正的這個主管機關單位才不會以而傳而這個就是本席所提問的目標謝謝所以有任何的訊息我們也希望可以得到真正的這個方向一起為我們的能源配備改革方案來 |
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那最後我給一個功課就是部長我一直在跟你討論的我們就希望說我們要解決台電的財務黑洞那我們的能源配比的方向所以包括本席剛剛提到阿拉斯加包括了這個美油購買的方向我想你也絞盡腦汁怎麼樣可以多元去發展我希望能夠在你們的評估效益當中能源配比的方案給本席一份資料 |
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這個多元的能源是我們的政策我們會找到能夠讓它的成本能夠不斷的降低這個才是我們努力的方向但是因為綠電是未來在整個世界上面對產業有十足的需求所以我們會用這個方向來努力各種 |
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各種多元 我們都會考慮 |