| IVOD_ID |
161783 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161783 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-21T16:12:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-21T16:27:35+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e381da0d479eb7dbb4c14e710eb579cce11a54d16b4ae5699762613b50df72fd56a65096fc31f86f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:12:08 - 16:27:35 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理114年度中央政府總預算關於總統府預算凍結項目共5案。
二、處理114年度中央政府總預算關於國家安全會議預算凍結項目共4案。
【5月19日及21日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝召委好像現在在4號法治委員會開始執行之前都要先來一段程序上面的發言我先確認一下現在國安會秘書長還是拒絕過來是不是是 跟黃委員報告對他有沒有理由目前我應該是從早上到現在為止兩位秘書長都沒有給我一通電話OK |
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剛剛啊 有委員在上面程序發言的時候啊 細數了從陳說扁馬英九到蔡英文所以國安會啊 之前解凍的時候 副秘書長來就可以了召委你知不知道 剛點名到的那三位總統有哪一個總統 |
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用的國安會秘書長是把共諜帶到我們府院黨的高層有這樣的例子嗎沒有 所以我剛剛有講說過去的沒有涉法我每一次在這邊質詢的時候其實我都是針對行政部門我不太想針對其他的委員其他的委員在這邊進行不實的政治攻擊 |
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讓人覺得非常非常的遺憾但是委員會珍貴的質詢時間來做這樣子的事情我只能夠說非常非常的遺憾一個立法委員連自己基本的職責是什麼都搞不清楚然後利用站在這一邊質詢的時間對其他的委員發動不時的抹黑攻擊 |
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讓人覺得非常非常的遺憾今天國安會的秘書長還是沒有來嘛好來 總統府的秘書長你有請 你有准假嗎總統府秘書長我有准假好來請 我們總統府副秘書長委員好副秘書長好喔說到 |
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滲透到我們總統府裡面去全體國人都很關心我相信您今天來這邊一定有所準備其中賴清德副總統辦公室的姿意2023年8月的時候他還有參與有關於副巴拉圭整個行程的事情現在這位吳尚宇被羈押了 |
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我要問的第一個問題是請問這位吳尚宇到總統府或者是到副總統辦公室任職的時候有沒有辦理特殊查核 |
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據我所知一定要有做一些身家的調查不好意思啊我們在立法院就談法律啦什麼是身家調查我聽不懂啊現在又不是回到以前警總的時代他有沒有辦特殊查核請允許我更精準的回應當時是沒有的他不用辦特殊查核嗎 |
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各位委員報告一下因為吳尚宇是聘用之一那聘用之一的話他是一般查核只查雙重國籍跟刑事之一您覺得這樣子的查核密度夠嗎來請副秘書長 |
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呃 認為個人認為這是不夠的不夠的嘛那這個制度改革需要多久目前也有聽到委員黃國昌委員您的一些建議跟想法這些建議非常好那我們現在已經要確定要擴大這個場需要多久現在已經在走行政院會選對所以需要多久還不知道這國家安全知識體大 |
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怎麼會拖這麼久呢這不是天大地大的事嗎怎麼行政效率這麼差還需要多久這個事情爆發到現在多久啦還在跑行政流程喔國家安全不是很重要嗎用這麼輕忽的態度這麼緩慢的流程在處理國家安全的議題適合嗎 |
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跟委員報告的確我們法律一定要法治就如同您在當老師的時候這個程序非常重要法治非常重要是沒錯所以現在不僅僅我們也開始做我只問一個簡單的問題還需要多久所以還需要多久不知道絕對禁訴並且在會禁訴嗎好我們拭目以待看什麼時候禁訴請問吳尚宇什麼時候從總統府離職的 |
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這個部分我精準一點的回答是今年的2月19號今年的2月19號他為什麼離職?當時候說好像自行辭職那他的原因是說要回家照顧家人的樣子他2月19號是自行辭職的喔?是他是自行辭職還是被辭職?自行辭職因為他非常的神準啊是邱嗣源、黃曲榮收押進建的時候同案的啦 |
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他馬上就辭啦就讓他覺得很奇怪嘛這個時間點啊巧合到讓人不可置信啊兩個同案的被告被收押現在總統府的說法是他自刑請辭不是被辭職嗎是嗎 |
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委員我可以表達一下我的意見跟觀察沒有沒有我現在只問事實的問題啦如果他是共諜就要創造最大的殺傷力嗎所以他在幹什麼他在幹什麼如果是共諜的話一定要引爆最大的輿論媒體爆破力所以很明顯的他在幹這些事啊那這些事情他一定要有法律最嚴格的對待那個副秘書長你要發表你的意見你隨時開記者會 |
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請你不要佔用我質詢的時間了所以副秘書長 依照你的意見啊這個吳尚宇很可惡啊他要發揮最大的爆炸力所以在2月19號辭職是這樣嗎我現在有點聽不太懂這是我個人的見解沒有關係 我尊重你個人的見解他在總統府任職多久了他在總統府任職多久了他在總統府任職 |
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兩年又五個月兩年又五個月 潛伏這麼久總統府都沒有發現任何異樣我想全世界的這些espionage都一樣啦這些都一樣沒有關係啦我只有問你客觀的事實啦就是兩年五個月總統府都沒有發現異樣要離職也是他自己離職不是被離職我想各個國家都面臨一模一樣的挑戰是 請你回答問題就好了啦 |
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所以我再確定一次嘛潛伏了兩年五個月總統府都不知道即使到2月19號也是他要自行離職客觀事實是不是這樣我們在其他國家還有潛伏更久的我們都很氣這個沒有關係啦我說你要援引其他國家當立職那個是你的自由啦 |
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你去開記者會講就好了我在這邊都只問客觀的事情客觀的事情是潛伏了兩年五個月都沒有發現2月19號他是自行辭職不是被辭職的是不是這樣是的是這樣嘛好沒有關係因為這個事情喔我其實在這個委員會我也公開講過我公開告發了 |
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我公開告發了接下來的事情就交給台北地檢署去處理我今天要質詢的第二個議題是嚴肅的議題我們派了一個張教授跑去英國擔任公使 |
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你們在派那個公子以前啊有沒有做有關於相關相關人事的查核委員我真的很抱歉喔因為這不是我的業務我可能沒辦法回應那所以這是誰的業務我這個應該是外交部沒有啊這個林佳龍說這是總統任命的啊 |
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這是總統的權責啊我們都有相對應的分工但是這個業務是我沒有辦法精準的回應您那今天總統府有人有辦法回應這件事嗎這個部分還是要有外交部會這個人事作業沒有經過總統府一局的部分再拜託一下 |
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奇怪 複密你對總統府的職長好像不是很清楚耶任命總統令出來不就是掛賴總統的名字嗎怎麼你當複密對自己總統府的業務職長這麼陌生之前啦 人事令出來以前就已經出來質疑啦學歷造假的人派去英國當公使是要丟台灣的臉嗎 |
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是在丟台灣的臉嗎報告委員那個江公使的部分他是用特任公使的身份來任命的所以外交部在這個地方因為他是屬於政務官那依照任用法的規定他不屬於特殊查核的部分但是必要的查核還有剛剛講到一半的查核外交部事先都沒有我只是問一個最簡單的問題 |
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這個是牽涉到台灣國家國格的問題啊我們派一個學歷造假的人去英國當公使適合嗎 |
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你覺得適合嗎報告委員這件事情科技部國科會有發布新聞稿說明說明什麼說明他學歷是真的他說明是他在登記上跟過去跟他的證書上是有錯誤但是如果從學生寫假的東西說是有錯誤這會不會太可笑啊他自己念啊他自己有沒有念法學他自己不知道 |
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他是當事人本人耶那個沒有事實判斷的問題耶他在哪一個學院拿到博士學位他自己不知道這個部分我們尊重這個國科會對外的說明啊對啊 國科會對外的說明就上面寫的東西是假的啊現在我問你的是國家基本立場的問題啊學歷造假還派去英國當公使那不丟人現眼嗎 |
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以後我們還要不要跟英國促進學術交流全科技 文化 教育等等的協議派一個學歷造假的人代表台灣台灣是沒人喔委員 這個部分我把意見帶回一定給你一個很快速給你一個交代好不好我直接啊 是複密 是我講話下來有憑有據我一頁頁帶給你看看不下去啦 |
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我這兩天接到的檢舉多了他去跟科技部過去的科技部現在的國科會申請計畫的時候他說他個人資料表的主要學歷計畫主持人不願意公開這很奇怪我很少看到大學的教授跟國科會跟科技部申請計畫我作為一個大學的教授我主要學歷我不願意公開 |
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這是怎麼回事啊結果他的畢業證書上面明明寫的他是社會科學與健康學院這是他的畢業證書畢業證書寫社會科學與健康學院來看一下他給科技部的個人資料表寫什麼來請複密仔細看南衛學門系所法學院上面就寫法學院 |
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這個資料是不是偽造變造的總統府我相信去找國科會來一翻兩瞪眼白紙黑字他明明就不是法學院畢業的在學歷上面寫法學院畢業的就好像我台大法律系畢業的我可以在我學歷上面登載說我是台大醫學系畢業的嗎 |
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這怎麼會用錯誤兩個字來形容這根本是造假這是偽造文書啊我當初還是想說Dohan Law SchoolDohan大學是不是沒有Law School我要特別上網去查有Law School但他念的就不是Law School啊 |
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這樣學歷造假的人 派去英國當公使丟國家的臉啊報告委員 他送過來的資料 給我們的資料上面不是寫法學對嘛 現在問題就來了嘛現在你應該緊鄰大作啊他為什麼給總統府講一套 給國科會講另外一套是不是被人家揭發了以後 發現別康了趕快更改上面學歷的記載 是這樣嗎 |
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這個部分國科會的新聞稿也有說明他當初寫資料後來經過查證之後有請他做個人的更正的部分所以現在問題就來了嘛我把全責跟你講清楚啦國科會的事情請你放心我一定會去國科會追到底當初在學倫大會上面怎麼放水的整個過程我大概都掌握了我一定跟國科會追究到底但問題是什麼 |
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從你們任命公使之前客觀的資訊清楚的顯示他就是學歷造假沒什麼好說的不是法學院畢業說是法學院畢業這不是造假什麼是造假如果這樣的人可以當英國公使那以後全台灣的學子在履歷表上面愛怎麼寫就怎麼寫因為我們有個最好的榜樣啦造假都可以當公使 |
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這不是有台灣的臉丟到英國去了嗎我有說錯嗎今天複密大意把我的意見帶回去就請帶回去我靜觀我靜觀這件事情接下來要怎麼發展還是說錯了不願意認錯總統的派令都出來了出去就出去了 |
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來 請鳳梨講話 因為你舉手沒有話想講 請非常謝謝委員我想總統不可能管到整個台灣沒錯嘛 所以我才說你們人事作業是怎麼做的嘛所以他會有分工嘛市交部 科技部 國科會那現在我們一定會去要求我們一定會去因為畢竟上面掛的是總統府沒錯 你說到重點了所以這個部分我一定把你的意見帶回去該怎麼辦就怎麼辦好 很好謝謝拭目以待 好 謝謝 |