| IVOD_ID |
161775 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161775 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-21T11:34:13+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-21T11:47:28+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e381da0d479eb7dbb3959272aa1f725e020ad028569f7f2fd83485c555d55c9f826982371071214a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡其昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:34:13 - 11:47:28 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查及處理114年度中央政府總預算關於交通部主管預算凍結案計48案。
二、審查及處理114年度中央政府總預算關於數位發展部主管預算凍結案計20案。
三、處理114年度中央政府總預算關於行政院公共工程委員會預算凍結案計8案。
【5月21日及22日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席,請陳部長跟...請陳部長觀光署周署長周署長委員好部長吳安是 |
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今天剛好速發部也在所以我想我們就可以就一些AI的題目來進行一些探討那我看了一下 觀光署其實也跟得上潮流他也設立了一個叫歐雄AI小幫手的一個平台署長應該有啦是署長你自己測試過這個平台沒有 |
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也知道AI未來的運用可以幫忙大家做很多的事情所以你們也開始嘗試做一點測試但是這個是上限的平台 |
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所以我問部長跟署長有沒有自己上去測試過我知道有這個系統但是我沒有測試過我是上去看我上去看過我沒有加入我請辦公室的助理幫我測試一下那我就很簡單的講就好了其實我對這種我都覺得 |
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不成熟的東西不要拿出來你知道觀光署所代表的是中華民國的觀光產業它代表的是交通部也就是它是中華民國這種強調我們觀光要立國我們曾經有千萬來客觀光署是一個象徵一個代表那我們推出了這個AI小幫手的服務平台 |
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我請助理輸入幾個東西比如說第一個我想知道中永和好吃的麵包在哪裡他回答是很抱歉找不到相關的資料你可以進一步查詢各個景點的資料庫喔然後再來請介紹一下永和著名的甜點同樣回答的是一樣的東西 |
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那請介紹永和的觀光景點其實越問越大啦一樣的道理叫你建議參考新北市政府的觀光旅遊的網站然後問說想要從台北想要台北就簡單講請AI台北進行騎自行車環島應該怎麼安排我們的平台出現的 |
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三天的行程是還台北市的行程我說台北市出發要騎自行車怎麼還台你們給我的是三天還台北市的行程好那剛剛這些問題其實不要講AI啦我們講到AI實在是太羞辱AI了我們 |
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台灣有Internet之後我們連我們只要在Google上面輸入永和有什麼好吃的中和有什麼好吃的我們台中的清水有什麼好吃的我想都可以跑出一大堆的東西出來還沒到AI啦搜尋網站就可以不用用到AI啦也就是還不大需要用到智慧 |
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只要你有搜尋功能就可以做到我們不夠周圍人應該加一個試用版因為我們也知道說這件事情我們希望成立一個PMO我們工研院來協助我們那麼現在我們也有支撐會來協助我們這件事情也覺得22個縣市政府做的力道不夠但是六都做的還不錯那我們希望能夠把它串起來我們會加一個試用版上這個就是說 |
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部長 署長你們也都知道大家現在可以花錢訂閱CHAP GPT吧對 沒錯你可以輸入它比Google更好用因為它加入人工智慧可以真正的AI讓你排成告訴你哪裡可以你可以去哪裡中午去哪裡吃怎麼它幫你排好了雖然它還是有一點小缺點但是比起過去我們傳統用Google的搜尋它其實好很多 |
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我的意思就是說台灣一般大家會認知什麼叫AI就他買了chip GPT幫你排排好之後大家都還在裡面要討論或者修正那中華民國政府主管觀光的的一個AI平台結果出來的是連提供最基本的資料都沒有我們稱之為代表著中華民國觀光署的AI的小幫手 |
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那個蘇發部長也在齁 部長你們也在推動政府AI應用實驗站的這個計畫在你的看法交通部啊 觀光署啊 推這樣的一個所謂的AI平台 部長作為一個專家 作為這個數位發展的主管機關 你的看法是什麼 |
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我想這個方向是對的,那資料的訓練可能還需要再加強那有一些新的技術,像什麼RAC這種技術可以導入可以增加這個網站的使用性,這個我們會跟交通部再來合作你們這個實驗站,恐怕第一個要趕快請幫忙一下觀光署啦恐怕你要第一個趕快,因為我就幫你測試一下你們實驗站二月就開課了嘛 |
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但是我對到今天已經五月了讓我們還看到這樣子因為我覺得這樣的東西其實對觀光署是一個很大的羞辱啦就中華民國的觀光主管機關推一個AI連Google的搜尋入口網站都不如我們名字叫AI我覺得這個是很奇怪的你要服務大家你應該是怎麼樣你的Data的訓練 |
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ChipGVT把所有網路上面的資料他都拿來訓練他告訴我們的我們都還覺得不一定很優還要在人工加以優化那現在呢我們在訓練他的方式是只有政府內部的資料 |
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部長你覺得這樣的訓練出來可堪用嗎我們也在準備這些資料來做訓練所以我們會協助交通部把這個系統的訓練的更好所以這樣子是不合格的啦對不對部長我們會再跟交通部所以我沒有惡意啦我只是說署長我們要做我們就一定要有一個基本的樣子 |
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因為你丟這個出來 只會讓網路上大家不斷地三笑說原來中華民國 光光鼠的AI說什麼叫AI 就長這個樣子台灣人笑完也就算了 我們號稱科技大國 我們還有速發部喔結果我們在國外 如果這個外國人不管他在台灣 他來台灣要搜尋 結果長這個樣子這個 |
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很好笑啦說實在話所以我沒有反對你做這個我只是覺得做任何的網站包括你觀光署下面你各個相關的這些風景區管理服務平台或者什麼一大堆的到底 |
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效果如何 做這些東西要進入了一個新紀元 就是AI的新紀元那到底你們準備好了沒有不要齁 這樣打出來說 我就有在做了 現在就有在做這個這個齁 我覺得不好啦 署長你覺得呢 |
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謝謝委員指教但是因為我們重點當初同仁提的時候重點在歐貝爾重點在這個歐雄也就是歐雄比過去的歐雄能夠更進步一點所以我們嘗試的讓同仁有些這個衝擊那委員提示的也是我們覺得私律還是不夠周到但是表示我們PMO還要必須要加強那這個部分如果說不 |
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能夠來協助我們 我們覺得是更感謝我建議就是說 先弄好再推出啦不急嘛速發部都還在教政府各單位怎麼應用實驗站觀光署要走在前面我沒意見你至少做一個CHAP GPT不要差太遠的啦不要差太遠 大家覺得說CHAP GPT要用錢去買觀光署服務我們不用錢的 |
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但是他只限旅遊的問題 他沒辦法問其他的問題OK啊 我覺得這很讚啊 |
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你跟他合作都可以啦就是你怎麼把旅遊的資訊你跟他有一個區隔雖然但是市場人家已經走到這裡了政府機關離人家太遠搞不過去啦這樣懂我的意思啦好因為時間的關係我只剩下最後一個問題我想請問一下那個現在我們那個訂房率啊現在不公開他的思維是什麼 |
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並不是不公開而是現在的訂房率被大家誤認為是住房率那麼其實在現在的分析裡面發現就是說現在的疫情之後大家的訂房的決定的時間點越來越晚那我們在15天就宣布的時候其實這種宣布的方式其實會影響一些選擇行為我的意思是說你們科學的認證裡面發現公佈 |
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公布台灣各個地區各個縣市或者觀光景點它的住房率幾%它所產生的負面衝擊是什麼比正面衝擊還大那是什麼譬如說現在有50%是當天才決定要去住宿的 |
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報告員當時我所理解的會有這個數據的公布主要是為了讓地方政府方便因為如果說電房率很高的時候他們交通輸運上面要怎麼去準備還有我們自己風景區的那個要怎麼整備 |
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但是後來發現這個參考的價值越來越低是因為現在大家的定房率習慣上50%的人是前一天才決定那我們這個公布是前15天就公布所以那個參考價值其實是相對低但是我們現在公布的是定房率前三名的給民眾參考 參考什麼 |
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有哪幾個縣市它的訂房率特別高如果想去那裡遊玩的人你要訂房可能要趕快訂或者是說交通上要趕快先準備這個部分我還是會公布那但是其他部分或許可以考慮啦要不要前一天再公布或者是直接住房率直接公布也是可以的因為我不了解這樣的利弊啦所以我今天來特別請教是譬如說以我的消費行為來看 |
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如果我發現這個連假前兩個禮拜你告訴我哪裡已經大塞已經九成了因為我可以有替代性嘛我一年有幾個假期那我就先挑不要跟人家擠的那我可能對我這種消費者而言我就找不到哪裡是不擠的我們現在前三名比較多訂房的地方我們會公布還是有 |
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我知道我知道我的意思是說以前全公布我才知道說我的選擇可以選擇不用去人擠人的位置在哪裡那所以以前也是全公布現在你只公布前三名所以你公布了前三名我並不知道第四名會也一樣是不是也一樣擁擠 |
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所以我的意思是說 站在我這種消費者而言我不懂為什麼你不讓我知道最不擁擠的這一個假期最不擁擠的地點到底在哪裡我的意思只是詢問這個所以我的意思是說你們應該是不是在 |
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再跟那個觀光業者或者消費者之間再評估一下啦到底是怎麼樣公布是最好的因為我也不知道但是我只是站在我這一種消費者立場我會覺得很不方便以前很方便以前你們的指標就是告訴我這一個連駕不要去哪裡因為那裡實在是房間也很難訂車子又多所以我會選其他還好這個地方還蠻容易訂的沒有你們這個資訊我只好到處去 |
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訂房網站去搜尋嘛看哪裡的最好訂就表示這個假期那裡少所以我的意思在評估一下看怎麼樣公布是對消費者好對這個業者也好好不好好謝謝好謝謝委員 |