| IVOD_ID |
161765 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161765 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-21T13:24:24+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-21T13:36:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:09 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e381da0d479eb7db2f856301d59880e0cdb65d50a7385bb67364d18bd4e850e80ecafa458f489ced5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:24:24 - 13:36:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部、教育部就「性騷擾防治及外聘督導制度精進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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現在主席麻煩請次長 |
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市長好 公交人員有這個偏鄉離島的地域加擠那地域加擠大致上如果是在離島的話就是至少每個月有7700元以上那如果是在山地鄉的話則是每個月有3090元以上那其他台東花蓮的平地鄉我們有這個東台加擠每個月只有630元 |
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台東花蓮如果單純就是用山地鄉平地鄉的模式去劃分有一些地方會造成不公平的現象因為有很多的平地鄉雖然是平地鄉但是他一樣沒有像其他地方便利的交通環境 |
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但是加急卻一樣只有630元喔例如像這個豐濱那不知道部長有沒有 次長有沒有去過豐濱醫院豐濱 我有沒有去過就花蓮台東交接豐濱好像還沒去過還沒去喔 有機會是 有機會可以去看看齁那因為蛤 好啊你說我排還是你排 |
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好我們還有很多地方要去那這個是這樣子就是說封兵呢他是應該是全花蓮縣唯一沒有火車經過的地方那公車站呢如果按照這個加急的急速去 |
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就是判断可能有些地方它就是5到15公里就是那个公车站其实你要走好几公里那个也是很远啦所以我们看一下这个这张照片是封滨医院的正面那右边我这个萤幕都没有出来右边是卫生所对 |
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對 右邊是封冰衛生所 左邊是封冰醫院那兩個單位呢 它是在同一個建築物裡面但是其實他們裡面是互通的那市長你知道嗎就是說在這個建築物裡面上班的公務人員包括這個就是醫護及行政這些等等他們上班是從左邊進去 |
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到醫院那他們的加給就是630元但是從右邊衛生所的進來就不一樣囉每個月加給有3090元我想這樣子一比較你看你聽了你們都在笑了謝謝委員幫我們博布利醫院爭取權益真的 |
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你講到同一個建築物裡面左邊跟右邊一個630一個3090元如果你是領630的你有沒有現在覺得相對剝奪感很強對不對 |
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所以理論上你們都很客氣啊都抱歉我在這裡都替你們講了理論上封閉醫院的業務絕對不會比衛生所輕鬆因為在這個封閉的這個衛生所他是負責這個衛政那醫療部分全部都是在這個到這個封閉醫院嘛那甚至有時候我們台東就比較北邊的也要往封閉醫院送啊 |
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所以這個醫院跟衛生所就在同一個屋簷下但是領的地域加擠卻是兩個世界所以算一算應該差了四倍那我剛剛講這個人事行政總署的地域加擠規定在平地鄉有很多不公平的現象那封閉鄉 平地鄉630 |
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那花蓮縣政府呢他們在四年前就提出了地域加擠的合理化方案送行政院並且獲得支持那封兵箱內呢它是屬於這個地方政府管理的機關那地域加擠全部改為3090元那唯獨部立醫院的封兵醫院封兵分院現在每個月還是在領630元這個次長 |
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你覺得這樣對你們院內這個同仁是公平的嗎謝謝委員我想我們自己部立醫院事實上真的承擔了台灣非常重要的公共公醫的職責那尤其是花東我們非常感謝願意在花東來提供服務的這些醫事人員我們也全力來協助那這個部分應該是人種的規定那我們在衛福部這邊當然另外我們在其他的能夠給我們的醫療人員比較好的待遇的部分衛福部這邊盡力來協助 |
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那但是如果是人种的规定的话当然我们也希望说人种能够考量到我们这些专业医疗人员在这边的困境那让我们有比较好的夹击 |
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我想是這樣我覺得這個部分你們應該要大聲疾呼大聲給他叫一下給他叫好幾下我們也幫忙叫也會幫忙來協調爭取所以我要請你們馬上來清查就是說在這個花東地區是不是還有類似的情形這個部分是不是可以請你們一周內清查完畢 |
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謝謝委員我們請一幅會就是針對我們在不論是您剛所提到的原住民地區或者是這些特定偏遠地區那在相關地域加擠不合理或者是已經不符現實需求的這個部分我們再整理資料給委員謝謝委員幫忙我也想請教一下就是說 |
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你們一句話就是說這是人總的規定我也知道這是人總的規定但是這中間你們有沒有溝通協調過搞不好他沒有看過那個統一棟建築左邊跟右邊如果我們的人總他是在他上班的那棟大樓一個右邊進去630另外一邊3090元我看他自己動會掉嗎 |
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我們自己其實長期待在華東的這個副執行長也只能說過去大概他們就默默接受不過謝謝委員我想我們一起幹嘛默默接受我們一起來看看怎麼樣跟人種做這樣的爭取啦謝謝委員幫我們關心 |
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好 那這個部分是不是就是說你們也就是如實反映給我們整理現況給我也對 你們也要爭取一下嘛是對啊 然後那個就是人家都可以提一個合理化方案嘛那你們也可以提一個不合理的檢討報告啊 |
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我們想這個是地域佳績我們願意給你們做後盾謝謝委員還有之前我們公益也提到包含這個我們偏向交通費等等我們其實部立醫院這邊事實上長期都蠻辛苦的是好那一起努力謝謝委員好那接下來我要請教那個國教署那個 |
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國教署的部分好上個月有很多的這個委員有一起召開記者會那揭發了我們台東某國小的這個輻射幼兒園的老師呢對學童施暴的這個案件那我相信你們應該都有掌握啦好那 |
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就是說這個當然縣府對於相關人員的懲處都已經出爐但是呢有非常有還有一些家長就是說對於這件事情仍然存有很多的疑問那我想這些疑問主要來自於這個調查報告因為縣府所給的這個調查報就是說他們應該是說家長收到這個調查報告他所呈現的就像這個 |
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烏雲籠罩一樣黑壓壓的一片這你看得出來是什麼嗎你不如給一張白紙算了或者你給他一張黑紙那再來因為長這個樣子所以家長越看越氣 |
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所以我不知道你們有沒有看過他們的調查報告有看過嗎報告委員有看過他們的調查報告那再來齁剛剛這是第一版的圖啦那幾乎90%都是遮蔽的那我們再來看一下下一張第一張絕對看不出內容啦好然後再來就是說家長反應之後得到了這個第二版這個圖那你們看這個圖有沒有覺得長得很像什麼 |
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某種密碼電腦裡面的密碼是不是亂碼對不對因為在第二版的內容他把行為人證人相關人員都同用同一種方式全部把他打黑遮蔽起來我想請問一下教育部這個你們看得出來誰是家暴老師誰是小朋友誰是家長誰是證人嗎你看得出來嗎 |
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跟委員報告 因為現在我們就是有個調查辦法那其實就規定說這個有涉及到幼生個人身份的是用代號為之那因為現在看起來就是台東縣提供給家長的部分他是用整個折筆的部分來做處理那這部分我們會再跟那個台東縣政府來就是做這個調查報告的部分來請他們做理解所以這個明明在你們的調查 |
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在這個你們叫保相關人員違法事件調查處理辦法裡面講得很清楚嘛就是要把相關要把相關人員的姓名去識別的話沒錯嘛但是你要用代號來取代嘛好所以這個你們到底有沒有去指導去溝通過跟這個地方縣府跟他們講到底這個要怎麼處理 |
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你們到底有沒有去教他們有沒有去指導是 跟委員報告因為我們這個新修正的規定是今年4月22號實行那我們大概在前端也有透過跟地方政府的就是有修法的會議那還有我們今年的那個7月底就會辦理那個培訓那還有我們跟地方政府教育局處的這個科課長會議那都會持續的在來做這個新修正規定的宣導 |
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因為既然你們四月份就已經四月份是新的規定嘛那你們遲至七月份才要去做這個講習嗎七月是針對審查小組那我們跟局處之間的規定大概因為我覺得通常你一個新的規定要上路前其實你們就應該要先做一些準備或者他在公告的同時就應該要同步很積極的做一些處理了 |
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但是因為這三個月當中你看四月到短短雖然短短好像將近兩個月的時間但是它有可能發生很多事情啊所以請你們加緊腳步是跟委員報告我們就是會再製作那個調查報告的那個參考的格式那再提供給地方線那你們可不可以優先趕快先把這一件處理好那你們什麼時候可以先把這一件 |
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因為我們最近就已經有發文給那個台東縣政府了那大概就是最快這個五月底前就會再請他們把這個依照新規定的這個現在也五月底了啦你要不要乾脆就講幾月幾號前那可以就容許我們五月三十一號五月三十一號現在還有幾天 |
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今天你就重新這個報告其實你們都看過了那指導一下該怎麼怎麼用代號這應該很快吧而且他們也等很久了好那這個我們就一個禮拜內把它處理好可以嗎好好收到謝謝委員好謝謝謝謝陳委員謝謝市長 |