| IVOD_ID |
161760 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161760 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-21T12:54:40+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-21T13:04:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e381da0d479eb7db3a1f544057dab3c1020ad028569f7f2f7364d18bd4e850e8286ec5ce099167b55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳雪生 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:54:40 - 13:04:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查及處理114年度中央政府總預算關於交通部主管預算凍結案計48案。
二、審查及處理114年度中央政府總預算關於數位發展部主管預算凍結案計20案。
三、處理114年度中央政府總預算關於行政院公共工程委員會預算凍結案計8案。
【5月21日及22日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席是不是請交通部長請陳部長蘇發部長、工程會主委黃部長、陳主委我們三位部長早沒關係站在一起嘛預算解凍案其實有兩個很重要的時間點一個是黨團協商 |
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第二個時間點你們也可以提出解凍行政院就我了解行政院不讓你們來解凍所以各部會說很多錢不夠用了像交通部很多什麼大樓用電只能用到五點半幾點我跟你講你們活該我跟你講你們不提出來你不能去怪這個反對黨對不對但也不見得反對黨 |
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執政黨也有提這個凍結案那凍結案這個東西行之有年嘛對不對這不是我們國民黨發明的或是民眾黨發明的民進黨也是一樣啊這凍結案一定有嘛所以我跟三位部長你們了解一下你們有兩個很好的時間點所以你們不能怪我們你也不能在電視上說去怪說很像藍白很像在凍結你們預算 |
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當然今天的預算案、解凍案我大概都跟他們協調好了應該放你們過關問題是你們去講話的時候小心一點好不好我們沒有去阻攔你,這個是程序嘛行政程序是這樣走的嘛,是不是黃部長跟主委請回好不好,謝謝 |
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剛才那個財化法,那個會計處長張處長提到,因為財化法讓你們很多的錢都經費來源短促不能用,處長行政院主席處也在這裡,跟這什麼關係? |
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稅入稅出中央政府稅入稅出總預算一定是在稅入既有的基礎來編列稅出的預算嘛是不是這樣你當會計當那麼久了嘛那財化法是稅源多出來的是不是超真的嘛 |
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但是多出來的錢啊跟你稅入稅出什麼關係你說因為財化法所以造成你錢不夠用你解釋給我聽這會影響的是未來怎麼影響因為當前因為事實上所謂的超收他其實還要還債 |
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跟這個沒有關係嘛 還債關你什麼事啊是國家的事 你不要把你交通部看得那麼大 你懂了沒有你還管到全國的財政啊 全國財政是行政院主技術管的 不關你的事你是就你既有的行政院主技術給你的額度裡面 |
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你去編列預算嘛 是不是這樣是 是 沒錯我跟你講的話就不對啦沒有啊 問題是當整個行政院錢沒有的時候他會對我們交通部的所有的相關的支出一定也會緊縮那自然我們因為要滿足各地方的需要那如果稅源沒有投收的話怎麼辦蛤 你用電也省了嗎是 我們他的問題是在桶山嘛問題出在桶山嘛 是不是這樣 |
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統三你講統三嘛,跟財化法什麼關係啊?沒有,因為那個是委員提案要我們對財化法對我們講做解釋你講話已經超過你的職權了,你瞭解沒有?那是行政院主計處財政部可以講這個話,你怎麼可以講這個話勒?你是交通部的會計處處長 |
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你這個講話已經,你是行政院主席長嗎?你不是嘛?是,不代表,可是委員要求我們要回答才有辦法對我們的影響沒有影響啦,稅入一定有多少錢在那裡嘛,你才能編稅出的錢嘛那你超出多少,你用猜的喔?你又不是玄天上帝,也不是技工火火,你會知道你是上帝啊?你會知道超出多少錢嗎? |
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再給你三兆你也不夠啦是不是好處長你請回啦早上那個王美月委員這兩天出了重大車禍部長你這個東西應該就制度上面去檢討嘛你不要一個人75歲的一個老人出了車禍你要把他改到什麼考照改到70歲 |
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我也是受害者,那我75歲,那我今天要去考試?沒有道理啊換照機制一直都在好沒關係,如果60歲有一個人發生了重大車禍撞死了十幾個,那你要降低到60歲嗎? |
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我們不是針對單一個案來做決定的你就是為了這個事情啊你去年有提出來嗎 前年有提出來嗎我們其實這已經研議一段時間了沒有道理了啦所以我們會先提出來的原因是因為現在社會大家很關注我們就把我們目前研議的結論先跟社會來做報告跟你講啦 你在應付社會啦 我沒有意見啦 |
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問題是你不能把制度這樣朝夕另改你要朝著制度面去走我們過去這個制度已經做十年了這個人神經有沒有問題體力有沒有問題是不是,四肢有沒有問題你就考慮這個嘛 |
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你把他趕到75歲我們現在都有納入了那我也是受害者你知道嗎我不是受害者嗎我不會讓您受害我們這個方案你不讓我受害是要協助年長者你以為那個S型可以隨便進去可以隨便出來的有那麼厲害喔那個不容易我們沒有說要考S型沒有考S型那考什麼考長方形還是正方形三個月之後會提出整體的方案再跟委員報告 |
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你可以比試,出車禍的原因很多,喝酒精神不濟我們不是為了擔任個案,我們是整體的駕照管理是包含新考照的,包含已經在路上開,但是有一些違規的樣態要回訊的機制也都有然後換照是另外一個,我們總共有三個方向 |
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早上在講,剛才在講,我坐在台上,我是受害者我跟你講,一定有很多鄉親出來講話委員如果已經75歲,本來就是到了現行機制該換照的年齡了不是換人喔換駕駛喔你是叫我不要開車那個意思嗎不會,現在很多人換照都很順利 |
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我現在八十幾歲啊,人家生性善良啊你要做壞事要去撞人,那沒辦法,那神經有問題你不能把神經病精神病人也統統把他算在裡面啦,是不是這沒有道理嘛我真的不是看個案不過你修這個法,你們稍微小心一點好不好你不要今天出了車禍,明天出了什麼風災什麼人禍就來啦,叫他修叫他修包委員這不是急救張的啦,我們不會做急救張的事情這是制度的整體的改善這次到馬祖去考察 |
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這個大家非常辛苦啦,速發部也去了,部長也去了我也感受到你們的誠意好不好我希望大家同心協力因為馬祖是個藍白合作的地方我剛才到內政委會質詢海基會 |
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他幾年專門委員每天在罵連江縣政府罵陳雪生委員你們把北竿機場的配套你給我拿出來怎麼樣怎麼樣怎麼樣一直罵我們現在執政的是民進黨執政耶交通部你是執政黨的他應該去喊什麼連江縣地方黨部也好海基會的人怎麼可以去搞這個事吃飽飯閒著沒事做我才問他他吃什麼飯做什麼事連江縣黨部也在罵我們地方黨部 |
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你應該叫交通部陳部長下台啊對不對你要找那個何局長下台啊罵我幹什麼很奇怪你覺得我是不是勇往被罵了部長你回答我問題我不曉得他罵什麼沒辦法評論因為我不曉得他罵什麼他罵我鬼混啦說那個什麼黑箱作業幹什麼的是啊你是沒看到啦你的幕僚跟他們講到馬志旺去找出來看看好不好 |
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我再去了解一下執政黨的黨員也有執政黨,國有國法,家有家規嘛,有點規矩嘛好不好,我們共同譴責,好不好謝謝你的協助,好不好好,謝謝主席 |