| IVOD_ID |
161726 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161726 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-21T11:57:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-21T12:09:06+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e381da0d479eb7dbda0794c4f2488179da433bb611ec39b925d7a793ed1225326075f793af8843da5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃珊珊 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:57:46 - 12:09:06 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請財政部、金融監督管理委員會、中央銀行就「房屋稅2.0課徵亂象與金融機構對不動產融資緊縮及中央銀行信用管制措施對房地產交易之影響」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、處理中華民國114年度中央政府總預算決議有關金融監督管理委員會主管預算凍結書面報告案39案。【報告事項】
三、處理中華民國114年度中央政府總預算決議有關金融監督管理委員會主管預算凍結專案報告案9案。【討論事項】） |
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我也好部長好副總裁好我想昨天很重要的是520賴清德總統在就職的週年演說宣示台灣要成立所謂的主權基金打造國家級的投資平台在這邊我就不禁要說了部長還有副總裁台灣民眾黨的版本在去年3月就已經送到立法院 |
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但是我們在這中間過程中包括立法院的專案報告跟央行給我們的回覆以及財政部的說明都說目前沒有必要而且突然間又突然有必要了是嗎所以部長我想問一下財政部有沒有接到行政院指示準備參與主權基金還有它成立的時程 |
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這個部分呢 行政院後續應該會再召開所以沒有參與前面的討論邀同相關部會一起來做開會討論副總裁 我們的版本是在央行底下成立啦我知道總裁一直很不希望在央行來主管他說給錢沒問題啦 要你們管有問題請問 原副總裁 央行有沒有參與總統有關主學基金成立的相關討論還有目前你們的時程是什麼 |
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報告委員因為長期以來我們都會把我們對這一塊議題的報告送成你們的立場一直就是外匯存體可以借你們用但是我要收利息啦是吧我們的原則是不能夠無償使用不能無償使用就是你們可以拿出來第二個你們不願意當主管機關對吧對部長那中央有跟你討論過由財政部來扛下主責機關政策的大旗嗎 |
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目前并没有做这样的讨论在主权基金全世界都是大部分至少我们知道最熟悉的新加坡是财政部主导接下去台湾会怎么样可能也是上一次央行有提出专案报告给财委会的书面报告有三种形式第一个反正财政部发债第二个部分是财政部拨款 |
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所以這三個方法都是財政部財政部有沒有意見 |
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跟委員報告各國的財政部的執掌內容並不相同這是一個那第二個對於有關財源來自於哪裡這是央行在報告裡面所以央行的報告也沒跟你討論是只講說財源來自哪裡好所以重點是我覺得主權基金是件好事這是上一屆吳欣穎委員代表台灣民眾黨在立法院不斷的 |
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倡議而且正式的修法最重要的是我們在總統大選的時候也成為台灣民眾黨的政見那去年3月我們就已經提案在央行在財政部我們都希望能夠進行討論但是很遺憾行政院一直沒有理會直到昨天看到總統突然間冒出來今天再問到兩位好像你們也沒參與所以整個過程我認為啦 |
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可能又變成是一個突發奇想或者是就像國軍軍人突然間要說恢復軍事審判到今天還是沒有任何下文我不希望它又是一個突然間曇花一現的構想我希望兩位對於台灣的主權基金應該現在就應該有進一步的想法甚至要積極的參與 |
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對於立法院還有總統都已經這樣說的重要政策我們不應該像兩位現在的狀況什麼都不知道可以嗎你們可以告訴我在一個月之內可以給我一個初步的時程表嗎或者是簡單的說美國川普總統二月份簽署了一個行政命令說要成立美國主權基金三個月五月的時候白宮發言人已經表示財政部跟商務部已經擬定了設立計畫 |
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只花三個月然後新加坡當時成立主權基金花了八個月我現在不知道我們的總統520宣布之後你們要花幾個月所以部長在我下一次在這邊質詢的時候可能我就會問你相關的時程啦你現在都不知道嗎還不知道 |
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跟委員說明了這個部分行政院會要同國發會央行以及各財主單位一起來做研議規劃好 副總裁剛剛講的卓文泰院長在日前接受專訪的時候也說了他說到底誰來出資啊有心有所屬對方不一定滿意會再慢慢協調所以這個對方是不是指央行 |
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報告委員 我不知道他的行為是怎樣他心有所屬 劣跡啦但是你好像不滿意啦 所以他要再跟你慢慢協調啦所以院長有來跟你們商量了嗎 還沒 |
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報告委員我剛才講過我們長期以來我們對這個議題我們都有提供我們的長端去參考好 接下去的問題其實今天財政部在這邊我們要強調的是不管主權基金它的目的是什麼都要益處重要的財源對吧 |
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這個方向應該沒有錯吧當然財源來自於哪裡是可以討論的所以像在新加坡的主權基金它的收入2025年新加坡的財政總收入是1499億新幣但是就有271億來自國家儲備的投資回報也就是相關的主權基金也就是政府的稅收來源裡面每五塊錢就有一塊錢是來自於主權基金這其實是一個穩健的財源 |
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第二個他的對GDP的貢獻也非常的高加上新加坡政府在他們國內有足夠的財源至少在剛剛講的居住正義上面有相當多的資源可以做公共住宅社會住宅最重要的是94%他都可以 |
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建設所謂的社會住宅出租給民眾讓民眾不會有房屋的問題所以我們希望的是財源進來之後要怎麼用這才是重點增加了錢很好但錢像現在國發基金也有其他也有 台商公司也有但它沒有辦法完整的挹注到政府的財源的話其實都是白搭 |
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主權基金不應該是那個樣子國發基金是要去扶植我們國內的企業但主權基金是要幫政府增加財源所以這個部分包括央行當時我有回報是說央行不需要啊央行外匯存體都有委託操作啊所以央行的獲益很穩定但是央行的獲益副總裁你們每年大概的利息收到多少你們委外操作賺到的錢有多少 |
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每年投資報酬率高不高?介於2.2到3之間所以您滿意嗎?您覺得滿意嗎?國外操作收益率3.53最高自行經營的收益率大概最高2.66這在跟主權基金比起來,你覺得你們這樣子的操作 |
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那個報委這兩個性質是不一樣所以主權基金操作應該要更好是但是就是不是央行來做我覺得這個國家就是希望這個政策下來各單位應該是有志一同大家一起努力如果這個方向還是你做你的我做我的就不會做好 |
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那個報告委員我們一直主張有一個專責機構來負責這個操作是所以就是大家要去找出一個共同性嘛不應該還是這樣你推我我推你最後就是在去年我們超徵的時候其實我在這裡也有跟部長說過超徵之後的錢要怎麼用大家都有想法我們主張有兩個第一個該還債有閒第二個其實每年超徵三四千億真的可以成立土權基金啊 |
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成立主權基金再去賺更多的錢而不是平白無故的不管是用到哪裡去把它花光光今年大家在審特別條例感覺就是要把稅基剩餘還有去年的超徵金額全部用完我覺得不是好事主權基金是將來超徵的財源之一而且它應該長期穩定每一年政府 |
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施政經濟的成果應該是全民共享而不是單純的發錢或者是去做其他的東西而是應該拿來在益助政府可以賺更多的錢來做更多的建設對吧 |
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所以兩位今天我希望昨天聽完很興奮今天看到你們兩位的回答我又很沮喪所以我希望主權基金應該有個具體的時程我希望一個月之內有一個大概有的方向否則我們在這邊又是恐歡喜一場部長你可以做到一個月之內告訴我你們規劃或者是跟央行之間協調的過程嗎 |
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委員這個部分行政院會要從相關部會來會商是但是兩位如果我們在財政委員會站在這裡還得到這樣的答案我覺得是蠻一笑大方的為什麼因為總統昨天講話今天兩位最重要的官員完全不知道立法委員也問不到東西這不是一個民主國家該有的方式 |
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變成總統也是黑箱然後到立法院來沒有人可以回答我們的問題這不是一個懂得溝通的政府或者是你們行政事務官有積極參與決策的政府這樣的狀況會讓人民沒有信心 |
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好嗎我希望一個月之內我會再問兩位最後就是我們還是希望啦主權基金有三個原則第一個一定要有專業的經營團隊第二個要明確的投資策略還有風險控管第三個要有明確的法源依據還有公開透明就是我們希望兩位在將來行政院討論有關主權基金的時候這幾個原則一定要納入所有相關的內容可以嗎 |
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我們的意見會納入好 謝謝好 謝謝黃委員的質詢 下一位請陳玉珍委員質詢請謝謝主席 有請財政部莊部長還有負稅署財政部莊部長 負稅署署長 |