IVOD_ID |
161685 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161685 |
日期 |
2025-05-21 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-12 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
3 |
會議資料.會次 |
12 |
會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2025-05-21T10:04:36+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2025-05-21T10:21:02+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:16:26 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e381da0d479eb7dbee0d277fe90189d0020ad028569f7f2fc32860b8eb41b24402cda474afd28a485ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
委員名稱 |
傅崐萁 |
委員發言時間 |
10:04:36 - 10:21:02 |
會議時間 |
2025-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第12次全體委員會議(事由:一、審查及處理114年度中央政府總預算關於交通部主管預算凍結案計48案。
二、審查及處理114年度中央政府總預算關於數位發展部主管預算凍結案計20案。
三、處理114年度中央政府總預算關於行政院公共工程委員會預算凍結案計8案。
【5月21日及22日二天一次會】) |
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謝謝主席 請部長請部長陳部長陳部長 陳世凱部長部長好賴總統520就職週年蘇花鐵公路三天斷兩次 |
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這真的是賴總統在就職一周年帶給花東人民最直接他的成績單這種痛苦指數啊 飆高到無法言喻一個人均GDP三萬五千塊美金的國家竟然連一條能夠平安回家的路都沒有 |
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本席在這裡很好奇民進黨政府這九年來到底為花東人做了什麼本席在詢問你們他旁邊不要這樣子吧到現在部長還不了解嗎還需要你指導嗎那他當什麼部長呢我都還沒有問問題你們就開始在講 講什麼從去年0403大地震 |
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台八縣做了四條四個民粹道來防止落實到現在為止本席請教部長一下針對台九縣這個要如何回家短中長期的計畫一個月內能不能到花蓮來跟人民做個報告部長 |
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報告委員您剛所提到的道路的狀況跟人均GDP有多少不一定有相關去年的4月3號的地震委員也感受很深因為您也在現場 |
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那經過了這一年多其實有一千多次的餘震有千餘次的餘震那在那個路段確實也是相對脆弱再加上最近時常有短時強降雨的這個狀況所以有些土石流的狀況所以這個不是說政府不努力做政府有努力做但是這是一個天災天災在造成的結果我們當然要努力來想辦法克服 |
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所以跟委員報告這三天斷了兩次沒有錯但是公路局其實相當的努力像昨天下午4點多斷了8點多就馬上搶通我們的鐵路也相當的努力在前天雖然有中斷但我們有用12個小時的時間就已經搶通那今天早上也已經讓所有的車正常在運行 |
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其實這個部份交通部都相當努力在做那委員您剛剛所提到的如果是台九線的改善的計畫我們會盡快提供短中長期委員講得非常好短中長期其實都要列出來那一個月左右我們把一個短中長期的計畫跟委員來報告那個主席啊本期今天有讓部長充分發言的所以時間上上請斟酌好不好 |
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剛剛部長講得很清楚這個公路總局的人以及鐵路局的這些維修的這些搶救的這些工作人員他們都非常的勤奮都非常的把自己的生命都放在次要而為人民趕快做好搶通道路的工作 |
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那個是一線 第一線的工作人員他們做到他們該做的事情本席現在請教的是一個高層的部長 政策指導的部長你做到了什麼不要拿基層的工作人員他的用生命來為人民疏通道路來當作你的遮羞布本席請教的是政府的政策是什麼為什麼要讓第一線的人員要冒著生命的危險 |
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你的政策在哪裡本席問的是台八縣要做迷隧道為什麼台九縣到現在為止迷隧道要做幾個要怎麼做易崩塌路段一年一千多次餘震本席不了解嗎那你的應對政策是什麼台鐵就在邊坡旁邊一場大雨路就斷了這已經現在是生活的日常但你身為一個高層你的政策是什麼 |
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為什麼要永遠讓基層的這些搶救的工作人員要冒著生命危險這在上位者的失能才讓第一線的人永遠在那裡做這麼危險的一個搶救的工作一個月謝謝部長剛剛講了一個月本席才剛問你一個很簡單明確的本席講了多久 |
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講了多久下面該做寒管 該做排水這些都可以去做現在蘇花公路已經是老生常談本席從來在交通委員會沒有去強烈的質疑你的專業性但是你起碼要有協調性 |
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要協調性當大家提出了這些民間的痛苦指數以及解決的辦法你起碼要予以尊重把你所有交通部下面的這些主管單位應該來做一個協調本席就照您剛剛說的你們很努力那本席請教一下蘇阿改跟蘇阿安蘇阿安什麼時候要動工 |
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更覺得源頭就是蘇安什麼時候要動工蘇安什麼時候要動工報告員目前都還在審議當中在哪裡審議目前在行政院審議當中行政院什麼地方審議在行政院審議當中那個國發會已經送出嘛到了卓榮泰院長辦公室桌上在卓榮泰院長辦公室桌上審議多久了幾個月了 |
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目前還在審議當中幾個月嘛到行政院多久了不知道這基本流程怎麼會不曉得呢委員現在還在審議當中對所以本席請教你嘛當然是可以政府的流程是公開的嘛有什麼好懼怕的呢審議流程到哪裡不曉得行政院哪裡行政院誰可以來審議嘛國安會已經送出了嘛您剛剛說的 |
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我們需要有協調嘛在這段時間這三天您可以問一下花蓮的鄉親您自己也有搭到啊我們在蘇運整體的計畫也很快速的就啟動三個小時之內就啟動您要到台北也都沒問題啊本席現在請教的你是蘇花安不是本席也有搭到蘇花安我們會加速來演繹本席確實確實自己上網有訂到機票 |
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但是到了松山機場因為有更急迫的人有醫院的需要本席昨天晚上把座位讓給他們我也沒有搭所以今天在這裡本席現在再一次請問你蘇安的進度到哪裡在行政院的哪一個哪一個人的辦公桌上我再一次跟委員回答他現在正在行政院審議當中好本席讓你看一下 |
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顏色不同且果大不同蘇發改行政院99年2月8號核定100年1月29號動工11個月蘇發案108年12月20號核定到現在還躺在行政院5年5年多了5年5個月了什麼時候要動工 |
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講不出來報告委員審議完畢之後我們會加速來動工樹花改已經做好了所有地質調查湧水通通都很清楚第一段做完了第二段是延續的第一段核定11個月動工可行研究第二段現在已經核定了5年多所以不是你的層級可以負責所以你不敢回答是嗎 |
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報告委員蘇花安跟蘇花改他的複雜度其實相當的不同內容也相當的不同所以所需要的時間當然也就不一樣你本席就讓你直接就講明就是你不了解所以不了解才講這種外行的話嘛並不是不了解沒有關係啦你外行沒有關係但是所有的工程單位都已經核定了東西不要照部長嘴上你自己鄉中部送出去的 |
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你自己交通部都已經送出去你現在再來講很複雜本席說從你這裡從核定開始行政院核定可行行就到現在您剛剛在說的歷程五年那就是因為複雜可行行行政院核定可行行研究核定之後舒華改國民黨政府執政11個月動工內容內容不一樣 |
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沒有關係啦 你在狡辯沒有關係啦 本席在這裡只要選前是一張臉 選後是一張臉我們看一下西高鐵 東快鐵2020蔡英文總統參選政策白皮書然後在你任內 在你手上正式跳票 |
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選前山盟海市選後你家的市現在也沒有西高鐵東快鐵再過來前瞻計畫花東雙軌在8400億的前瞻裡面收了269億在前瞻最後只用了62億消失了207億 |
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高高委員公務預算一樣有支出北京當然支套公務預算不要再狡辯嘛你本來就應該交通部公務預算做的嘛然後你把它納入前瞻8400億說3%用在花蓮8400億的前瞻那請問前瞻為什麼不用在花蓮高高委員這幾年交通部跟中央政府不要再強辯你要把你的協調性拿出來再過來 |
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前瞻消失了207億 選前三母海市 選後你家的市花蓮七個危險平交道 納入雙軌從蘇貞昌院長 陳建仁院長 到林佳龍部長 王國才部長因為那是危險平交道 而不是城市的縫合 |
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跟嘉義跟宜蘭完全不一樣 那是危險拼交道的解決問題中央行政院院長 交通部部長再三表達由中央納入 由中央概括承受現在你不能說陳金德一句話 整件事情重來這就是選前一張臉 選後一張臉選前三夢海是選後你家的事 |
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本席讓你喔 看一看啦到底有沒有良知良能啊 這個政府你看一下昨天花蓮是什麼樣子看看是什麼樣子看看是什麼樣子這樣的路能走嗎這樣的路能走嗎 |
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要讓我們公路總局的工作人員多麼的危險上位的人無知無能一線的工作人員多麼危險他們的生命財產他們的生命誰來保護用路人的安全在哪裡這還是一個政府還是一個國家嗎 |
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人均經濟三萬五三萬五代表什麼人均經濟三萬五美金代表什麼代表這是一個已開發的國家這種路要叫人走這種路要叫人走委員這是天災第一時間我們公務局天災兩次與人禍該有的防範措施早就該做好早就應該做好報告委員去年的地震您忘了嗎 |
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地震很大耶 這樣子的天災 我跟您報告 我是來自於中部中橫在二十幾年前 經過九一到現在二十幾年還沒發生 本席現在告訴你 你該做的事情不是在這裡狡辯是台八本席 開宗明就告訴你 台八線能做的事情 為什麼台九線不好好地去規劃民隧道 都講得這麼清楚 |
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本席好好的 再三地 明說我都不是工程的專業我們尊重工程專業 讓他們規劃什麼工程專業本席就是請教工程專業的專家告訴本席的他在這裡狡辯本席再請教一下剛剛幾個部會在講 包括交通部說業務費沒有凍結水電都繳不出來講了很久我一分鐘 講了很久 |
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本席請教一下陳士凱部長今天是幾號幾月幾號五月二十一號好立法院什麼時候會期開始什麼時候開始立法院本會期什麼時候開始的日期我沒有記得很清楚二月就已經開始了今天五月二十一號 |
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你們三個多月才把解凍案送來你在演哪出啊你們真的有這麼迫切這麼危急水電費繳不出來為什麼不早點送來呢為什麼不早點送來呢這麼簡單的道理你在演哪出啊委員因跟果要講清楚 |
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什麼叫因跟果你做你的專業工作就好你覺得應該要解凍你報告就應該送來你不要老是搞一些正式的動作不要在這裡交通部比去年多多少預算你在院會講的多了389億算什麼預算啊多了389億比去年多 |
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不要在這裡啊 在演啦 好不好那個 謝謝主席啊 本席還是要跟主席商量一下過去225席立委的時候我們可以問到晚上5、6點 6、7點本委員會10加2 非本委員會10分鐘225席的時候 現在113席4分鐘 5分鐘 有幾地方發生這麼重大的事情我要請這個主席見諒啦 我必須要表達 好不好 謝謝 |