| IVOD_ID |
161683 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161683 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-21T09:38:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-21T09:54:31+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e381da0d479eb7db622e23004f6cfb5a020ad028569f7f2fc32860b8eb41b24452fbb683eb77f5d55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:38:10 - 09:54:31 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查及處理114年度中央政府總預算關於交通部主管預算凍結案計48案。
二、審查及處理114年度中央政府總預算關於數位發展部主管預算凍結案計20案。
三、處理114年度中央政府總預算關於行政院公共工程委員會預算凍結案計8案。
【5月21日及22日二天一次會】） |
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主席謝謝麻煩請交通部陳部長請陳部長好部長好委員好部長前天在新北三峽的這個車禍真的是讓國人都非常的痛心那我也看到交通部動作很快 |
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不只取消520的週年記者會那並且在昨天有宣布要調整三項的檢討措施其中包括現行的高齡換照制度75歲到70歲有提到說換照考試要增加實地演練是不是可以說明一下實地演練跟現在預期的規劃方向是什麼 |
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報告委員 這個部分我們是針對有肇事紀錄者有肇事紀錄者我們希望能夠增加安全駕駛能力的訓練課程那這個課程除了說有講習之外還有另外一個重要的是實地的演練我們希望實際上讓他在車上開車的狀況底下我們有人在旁邊看跟現行的筆試跟錄考有什麼不同 |
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跟現行的駕照考試跟現行的駕照考試應該不會是一樣的應該不會是一樣的但是我們要去檢測的是他在車上他的反應能力可不可以還有他的駕駛能力可不可以這個部分我們會有另外一套的系統跟一般的第一次的考照的狀況一定是不一樣的一定不一樣可是現在現行的制度的問題在於是高齡換照只要檢附體檢證明跟失智證明 |
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所以換言之現在都是所謂的文件審查而已包括我們有認知能力的這個考驗考試嘛那未來你要針對實地的演練的部分國人也很關心因為在這一起事件上面當然這一起事件到最後的一個成因為何目前還不知道還在調查 |
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但是你也講了一句就是說不希望對於高齡駕駛有誤解也不要有歧視不過過去也有很多的這個所謂的高齡駕駛的一個事故所以我們才會做這樣的一個修正嘛對不對所以實地演練未來什麼時候會讓國人清楚明白而且你剛有提到一個是說只針對肇事 |
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有肇事前科的沒有肇事前科的我們會用這個教育訓練的部分講習的部分那另外比較重要其實這一次我們的改革方向比較重要的是大家也相當關心就是像剛剛委員所提到我們那個測驗能不能夠反映出長者在駕駛的過程當中他的反應能力所以我們危險感知的測驗也會放進來 |
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包含它的反應速度跟對於危險事物的那個感知的能力齁這個我們也都會放進來那我們剛剛所提到的這個細節的部分我昨天有跟民眾報告過跟媒體報告三個月之後三個月研擬出來方案對對對什麼時候實施我們希望明年115年能夠實施明年1月開始實施我們希望明年可以實施 |
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那這一個部分其實我們一起來努力就是希望是能夠降低交通事故尤其是看到這個新北三峽的這一件非常讓人難過的一個事故不過如果說很多人也在提到是說高齡駕駛的部分是在偏鄉地區他可能會有一些交通的一個需求那你之前有提到是所謂的幸福小巴或是幸福巴士幸福小黃或幸福巴士的部分目前覆蓋率還是沒有辦法達到100% |
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你之前有提過2028年要到百分之百這個目標有沒有可能再提前 |
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因為如果說75歲往下變成70歲的話可能182萬人都會有受到影響是沒有錯報告委員現在人數確實是我們高齡化社會之後增長蠻多現在70歲以上差不多有182萬人那10年之後我們會有272萬人這個問題一定要解決就是大家行的問題我們都會老我們老了之後一方面有可能需要駕駛 |
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二方面有可能像剛剛委員所提到的幸福小黃的部分目前我們的覆蓋率94%目前大概只有四五個鄉鎮沒有那委員在提醒的我們一定會努力來做看可不可以提早啦我們提早如果只差幾個鄉鎮我們盡量想辦法讓它趕快有幸福小黃跟幸福巴瑟的建置覆蓋率可以達到100% |
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是不是跟我也報告因為覆蓋率它的定義就是說它是說你的住戶500公尺範圍內有公共運輸通行那有些住戶其實它的500公尺其實它是車子進不了的它有一些部分它可能是不行沒關係 局長這個事後再給本席資料好不好我們只要車子能夠到得了我們小車能夠到得了我們會盡量來不過來看一下這一次的一個事故狀況因為你看其實很多人現在也都開始在看媒體也整理了 |
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其實他從國慶路學城路這邊第一已經有所謂的肇事不管是撞到後車之後加速逃逸的情況那到北大國小甚至第三個點以及到第四個點撞到分隔島才停下來我們特別算了一下這個距離有多長你知道嗎有將近400多公尺 |
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換言之這樣的一個距離400多公尺然後又是整個極限距離他已經很難是單一的因素他不一定是當然高齡有沒有可能他誤踩因為這一個就這一個於南來講他五年前也有肇事紀錄而當時肇事紀錄的一個他的太太的說法是說他把煞車誤踩成油門所以才會造成五年前的肇事紀錄新聞上都有看到 |
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那五年後發生那麼令人難過的一個意外狀況那我們現在來講除了所謂的行人地域要改善工程要來繼續做維護以外軟體的部分以及相關的車輛主動行人防治的一個部分是不是也應該加強因為 |
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如同你現在講的調整高齡的駕駛的一個年齡比照英國 日本日本就是70歲以上就要換照嘛我們這套系統其實是應該是學習參考日本啦因為日本比我們更早進入超高齡社會那日本就有強迫要加裝防暴衝裝置 |
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因為在車輛上面的防暴衝裝置的話有可能是不是就比較有機會能夠降低今天的事故不然您看從第一個點一直到第二個點直線尤其我們看到那個影片甚至影片行車紀錄器出來之後很多人講是說根本沒有閃的空間 |
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來 部長請說明一下日本有強迫不管是加裝防爆衝裝置或者是加裝防撞輔助系統等等 |
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我們未來有沒有思考這樣的方向這個部分我所理解的日本不一定是有強迫加裝啦但是我知道他們有補助補助加裝這方面的設備那我們也來研議一下日本他們的做法我現在得到的資料是高齡者的部分日本是有強迫加裝他們有補助啦我知道他們補助了九成那未來台灣要不要也進入這樣子的做法我們來參考他們的案例這才是治標啊 |
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治標 治本一起啊是 是 沒錯這個我們會參考他們的模式部長 因為現在看到的狀況是大家也都在講說是不是道路設計有問題就目前為止交通部了解道路設計有沒有問題這個部分我們有了解過嗎如果說道路設計沒有問題那是不是就是在車輛上面駕駛人的行為 |
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不管他是肇事逃逸 他心生畏懼還是他故意想要逃離現場而假設加速逃逸還是他年長 誤踩油門還是他任何理由 但都不構成理由跟藉口因為三人已經天然永隔了 |
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但是他的刑責讓檢查單位他們好好去做釐清調查但我們現在要做的是我們怎麼樣未來能夠防範而剛剛部長我就提到就是說當日本也好或是說其他國家都有針對車輛上的部分做防爆衝裝置的一個安裝補助也好強制也好或是說多少年齡要要求這才是配套啊不然你今天只是改一個75歲變成70歲那未來咧不只是75歲到70 |
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是我知道但是我只是說在車輛上面委員您在說的車輛上面是這個其實我們現在對於新車當然安全上面的限定是有的有要加裝一些安全的這個感知跟安全的系統這個都有但是對於未來年長者的駕駛的部分我們使用中的車輛要不要來補助或加裝這個我們來研議是不是一起在這三個月內您有講到三個月嗎是 |
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是不是在這三個月內當一起75歲變70歲然後相關的這個實地演練的制度一起出來的時候也把這個一起提出來我們科技防禦的部分我們也在這三個月裡面我們來做檢討國人在看是沒錯部長本席有看到520內閣來講哇你的滿意度很高啊 |
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是不是負評最低謝謝本期當然就期待的是交通部講的是專業我每次要講說交通委員會每一次開會的時候只要後面沒有攝影機都是好事沒有發生事情嘛是但是現在發生事情我們要做檢討而你也提到了三個月內會把相關的配套給拿出來那我們當然希望是說連同你剛剛講到的 |
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仿照日本 學習日本 參考日本的制度日本有什麼好的制度我們來學習用在台灣身上讓台灣能夠更進一步的防止這個行人地獄防止這樣的憾事在發生可以嗎可以 這個部分我們來努力三個月內提出來好 我們來研議三個月之內來研議好 來 抱歉 趙偉我還有我問一下速發部好不好 抱歉速發部長 麻煩一下兩分鐘就好抱歉 趙偉 謝謝 |
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你已經超過很久了 再一分鐘好了好 謝謝今天五分鐘 但是三個部會我們有交通部 速發部跟工程會那麼重要來 速發部長詐騙廣告抓不完打詐指揮官520的時候希望跨部會主詐說跟臉書高層面對面溝通來 我先請教這是新聞喔 來下一頁 |
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首先警方講說有移交事務案給速發部審理並裁罰所以兩個禮拜前在交通委員會這邊的時候本席有問內政部到底有沒有移交相關的案件我們那時候應該是次長吧講說沒有收到這不是事實吧 |
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5月1號他是5月1號早上送到我們是5月1號早上資訊所以是資訊完回去才看到公文這麼巧對就是剛好那一天好那沒關係現在15案裡面已已給訴發部審理並且裁罰目前的進度那個我們經過跟檢警調開會在這個禮拜一開會以後我們會決定裁罰但是我還在進行行政程序裁罰誰就是meta裁罰臉書對meta為什麼 |
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就是有那個因為我們必須要落實使命製這一段確實是有因為剛講15個案子裡面再加上我們發現的一個案子雖然有一個案子確實有資料不全再加上我們自己發現的一個案子所以有兩個案子目前已經決定開罰但是這個還在走行政流程我們在短期之內就會做公告跟採訪 |
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本席實在不想講說汪洋補牢有未完已因為每天有多少個詐騙案件而到現在我們通過了打詐釋法2月才開始到位結果4月5月才從內政部移交案件到速發部速發部又在一個月左右的時間今天5月21號你說下個禮拜才要處理預計5月底處理結果才 |
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也不要講採兩個案啦你說國人有每天收到多少個詐騙多少一個月有幾百億的詐騙結果現在說要開罰兩個案但是有做是好事可是我現在在想的是如果連到現在打詐指揮官都在講是說希望能夠跟臉書高層碰面那我想請教那過去到現在我們都知道你的通報系統裡面九成 |
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來自Meta詐騙訊息來自Meta報告委員那到底我們跟Meta是獨木不對等的關係我們隨時保持溝通後面也有我們的系統在溝通所以剛剛講那麼多案子為什麼只有採到這麼少因為叫他們下架二十小下他們都有配合那這個所謂的實名制十五個案子裡面他們也都有這樣只有一個案子資料不全這個是我們要來 部長您再看一下第三段 現在上演 |
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第三段的第三行警方沒有人力一天到晚逐一檢視廣告其實這就重點了我們一直講是說在詐騙廣告投放的時候它就是源頭源頭如果沒有管理的話你就會讓國人很容易接收到詐騙廣告而如果說這些都需要檢方再來逐一檢視廣告才去做通報 |
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那變成是我們的警方也好或是我們相關政府部門的人是在幫Meta做管理 廣告審查不是 照理講是如果說這個是詐騙廣告的話你Meta公司你要刊登這個廣告你就應該要有負責任不管是你自己的內機內控不管是你的相關的一個法務查核 |
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你放任這個廣告出來讓警方看到 警方看到之後再通報你然後你說24小時內讓他下架絕對說這個就是Meta已經有做到企業相關責任本末倒置吧就是我們目前法規是這樣子以後要不要修法再說但目前法規確實有這20小時的這個下架期那目前它是有符合的但是我跟委員講就是說也不是完全靠警政署我們用AI去掃描我們每天大概快掃描到就一個月 |
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過去這幾個月我們大概下架了4萬筆來部長我看到下一頁最後一分鐘我覺得我今天看到了你們的通報系統在上線之後我發覺一個很大的問題跟bug訊息處理流程各個民眾也好AI掃描也好給速發部速發部收到之後再給各部會確認 |
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確認不管這是公文往返或說這是確認的一個過程系統確認然後之後再回來然後再通知那這樣子會不會速發部來講就還是算一個總機我是一個收案然後我再給各部會確認但本席時間的關係本席指建議真的是強烈的建議 |
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新加坡他們2019年成立跨部會的打詐中心就讓各部會有專職人員能夠進駐到同一個辦公室在同一個辦公室裡面大家共同針對詐騙的訊息來做一個討論那這樣子就可以縮短溝通的流程並且能夠及時的通知社群媒體平台來去做後續的處理 |
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2019年人家就已經有做了到現在2025年 6年過去了新加坡的打詐在國際上來講大家是認同的大家也看到它有實際的成效的我們能不能學習別人好的經驗 |
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我們會繼續改進 目前我們通報到各部位它的平均反應時間是一到三個小時所以已經已經比過去進步很多了那當然還有改進的空間我們會繼續努力讓這個整個流程會更順暢更快速 部長今天解凍本席對於速發部該用的預算沒有意見但是你最後的結語講的是還是以打炸 |
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積極推動打榨工作我們希望看到真的是積極看到是專業看到是真的有決心要做打榨能夠部會整合源頭管理而不是直接放任好嗎好 這個我們會繼續努力 |