| IVOD_ID |
161682 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161682 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-21T10:06:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-21T10:20:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:42 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e381da0d479eb7db4679941d4d4064ecda433bb611ec39b9c32860b8eb41b244005dafe6a1b373055ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:06:55 - 10:20:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請財政部、金融監督管理委員會、中央銀行就「房屋稅2.0課徵亂象與金融機構對不動產融資緊縮及中央銀行信用管制措施對房地產交易之影響」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、處理中華民國114年度中央政府總預算決議有關金融監督管理委員會主管預算凍結書面報告案39案。【報告事項】
三、處理中華民國114年度中央政府總預算決議有關金融監督管理委員會主管預算凍結專案報告案9案。【討論事項】） |
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莊部長 央行的嚴副總裁以及金管會的彭主委三位長官一起彭主委 嚴副總裁 莊部長來委員好 |
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三位長官好 首先當然我要回應要談賴總統昨天突然丟出一個主權基金了這個題目我在幾個禮拜前排過專題報告排過專題報告 央行的立場是很清楚的 原副總裁 |
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你們的立場是不反對成立但是呢絕對反對無償使用這個外匯存底這個對法 對 |
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理由是因為這個錢不是政府的錢,這個錢是百姓的錢主權基金國家的主權當然是國家的錢去成立的 |
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這裡面當然有人提到什麼挪威啦這個中東那些的殘留國家的主持基金可是基本上來講央行的態度比較譬如說是新加坡韓國的模式對吧我們是建議參考建議參考嘛建議參考新加坡韓國那就是政府出錢 |
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對阿政府出錢所以這樣一來的話政府出錢那就財政部啦來莊部長是不是所以剛聽你對前面兩位委員的回答你講起話來這個哇很流利阿很流暢阿是不是準備挑起來了你就變成負責單位啦財政部就負責單位負責主權基金是不是對於主權基金未來如何的 |
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詳細的規劃跟制度在建立行政院會邀集相關部會來做討論對我知道但是如果行政院要我當主管單位你就一間挑起來了責無旁貸可以這樣講嗎我想在性質上應該是不太一樣的財政部當然對於裁員的籌措是責無旁貸 |
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那對於未來管理這個基金是由哪一個部會來做的話我想行政院會詳細的一個規劃跟討論管理有沒有修專法嘛但是籌措是財政部這沒錯吧財源的籌措當然是財政部的籌措我要請教這個嚴副總裁央郎適不適合你運不易當主管單位 |
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主權基金如果成立的話總統就要成立了報告委員因為我們的外匯管理資產外匯存體的管理和主權基金的管理是完全是兩所以我覺得這個不應該由央行去搞央行不適合啦本來就央行就不適合啦來來來先不要跑先不要跑你不要急著走啊我們都沒問題啊 |
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來 請問鴨王現在有沒有 |
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把二二存體委外代曹有沒有有我們1990年代初期就開始一直都有到現在還有現在多少呢114年預估2.25%委外去年2.25%委外實際是1.87%結果呢績效都比你們差嘛對不對 |
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那個報告委員 委外操作其實我們一方面是學習新的信用商品的操作另外一個也可以藉這個委外操作去學習很多先進的資產管理的東西你要講啊 我要問你就是委外操作的錢那個return那個報酬是不是比你自己操作的差我問你這個 |
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沒有,我們有...可能不能夠由一兩年的資料去看,我們如果看...沒有沒有,我們看過去十年或二十年,其實委外操作的績效還是有它的參考價值的 |
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也比央行自己操作好嗎這個其實就是回答您的問題就是其實每年度會有差異啦這幾年都不好啦這幾年度這三年都不好啦所以我們也把有一些經營不好的那個委外操作的把它收回來我聽你講話你都不會接我的意思就是你央行自己做還比委外別人來的好對不對你說不要委外這個東西就是要大家不要打你的主意啦 |
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你來自己做還比較好,你聽不到還在那裡散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散散� |
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那來來來就請教部長啊因為今天國安會沒有來其實就是兩個單位啦不然財政部不然就國安會可是國安會國發基金啊這到目前為止都虧損沒累啊做啥料啥做到處啥料啥 |
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對不對 所以看起來是你就比較適合然後我們來看喔你先不要否定我 過兩天就是你啦跟你講 你就跑不掉了啦你有沒有想過 外界最擔心的是什麼 |
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外界最擔心的就是主權基金又變成如果你那個中間設計的不好又開始變成達政第二外界擔心這個啦達政 你知道達政嗎 |
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我覺得委員當然是考量的就是說未來在投資的部分人模不章啊裡面通通是有心人在那裡亂搞上下其所怕的是這個啦那誰要扛責任啊問題是這樣子的這個問題出問題誰扛 請問部長在制度設計上我想應該要去考量的這個要規範清楚喔規範清楚喔 這個 |
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請教部長啊 你這次是去米蘭參加ADB嘛 對不對韓國的財政部副部長公開說韓國財政部副部長公開說美國的代表美國財政部代表有跟大家講關稅匯率的問題請問美國的代表有沒有跟你講匯率的問題沒有 |
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沒有 央行代表有去央行央行是有代表去 對 沒有錯有沒有跟央行代表講這個我並不清楚央行代表我沒有收到這個訊息 我也不知道好 所以你也不知道 讓各位知道川普2月份的時候提到用關稅成立主權基金 |
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所以這個某種程度是Echo我剛才論點的Echo這個央行的態度要用自己的錢不是外匯存體的錢因為關稅收進來變美國的錢用自己的錢去成立主權基金 |
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財政部要求說你要不然就是發債要不然就是發債而且現在這個時機丟出來賴總統丟出來外界高度質疑剛才這個民進黨執政黨的委員來講啊擴大投資美國啊這不是外界擔心的啊錢送美國啊 |
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執政黨委員都這樣講啦講到我們的心坎處啊為什麼這個時候提出來現在就大放送給美國就是這樣啦不然突然再講一個主權基金那個記憶果這個東西央行擋了這麼久 |
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講了這麼久 還在討論討論討論 噢 蹦出來了為什麼 因為關稅談判在即啊賴總統急著把錢要送給美國啦就是這樣而已啦 你看好了大舉投資美國 幾位長官 |
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未來主權基金怎麼樣的投資都還要再規劃所以我看就知道了嘛 莊部長一路就要跳起來了嘛好 那我現在請時間暫停請八位光谷的董事長過來好嗎 |
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我是請教各位啊 各位動作快一點 因為時間怕影響下面的委員我只問一個簡單的問題四月二號對等關稅之後請問各行庫有沒有賣美債 有沒有有的舉手有的舉手啊 |
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在這裡不能說的話 我覺得你也不要講話舉手就好了有沒有賣美債 有沒有沒有賣美債的舉手啊怎麼會這個趙鋒 董董兩個都沒有舉手消落啦報告委員因為這個教育的數字我必須要再去查一下我不確定印象都沒有印象我不確定後面那個舉手的是哪一家 |
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那個 彰化銀行我們有適度做一些調解適度做一些調解來 我要請教央行的副總裁有沒有賣美債 有沒有那個 報告委員因為我們的那個資金操作我們隨時都會有買有賣的情形Net Net Net Net |
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那個報告委員因為我今天準備的是房地產所以我沒有特別去記那個數如果事後我可以提供給您參考我所知道啦那可是沒有啦那可是沒有啦原本沒賣的幾乎沒有啦原本幾乎沒有動啦其他的行戶幾乎都有賣啦對吧 |
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你們回去查一下 之後給你們報告好不好這個我要提的東西就是現在美債被穆迪來嫁了我就請教金管會的評組委啊現在因為這個主要影響最大是壽星公司啦IFRS17本來預定明年 |
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試用上路嘛對不對是的會不會影響目前沒有這個規劃沒有影響小燈姐你不要急嘛前面沒有拖很久啦我都讓你拖很久我都讓你拖很久我讓莊家斌拖了二十分鐘咧不要這樣急嘛這個沒有問題好幾位董事長可以回去了齁 |
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最後一個 財政部長留下來就好了因為今天主題要問一下主委可以回去了主任財政部長房屋稅2.0從居住市值變成社級造成了很像東非的動物大遷徙因為比如說 |
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張三房子一棟車子 車庫一戈不同的群莊結果就要課不同的稅懲罰單身嘛你們現在七百多萬單一的資用的稅已經交了可是兩百多萬的各種樣態財政部等你們寒市你們什麼時候寒市可以出來 |
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單獨這個部分這個禮拜就一定會出來這個禮拜出來好喔這個禮拜一定會出來你所得稅可以延到六月底你為什麼黃稅這個亂象乾脆延到六月底啊如果要有更正稅單這種情況的話繳款期限都會往後延的可以延到六月底這個部分各地方我們在發單的時候他看他發單的時候他就會往後延好 謝謝是我沒有超過五分鐘啦你那個莊嘉賓超好啦 謝謝來謝謝 |
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這個我拿下去好 現在請我們請郭國麟 |